Biden admin offers ‘mass amnesty’ to migrants as it quietly terminates 350,000 asylum cases...

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Why be quiet? I guess the "rule of law" does not apply to illegal invaders.... 

Banana cult.
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Kind of nice for the president to toss out 350,000 court cases. What a man of law and order!
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Why be quiet?
Defrauding the voter sounds about right?


Kind of nice for the president to toss out 350,000 court cases. What a man of law and order!
Nothing says "law and order" like making up crimes for your political opponent and then refusing to enforce laws congress passed decades ago.
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The executive branch is responsible for the enforcement of our nation’s laws… or non enforcement as the case may be… sometimes even finding creative ways around them (usually via emergency powers).
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In my opinion it is an objective fact that the 14th amendment makes executive branch nullification completely illegal (unconstitutional) and it was implied to be so already by the mere fact that legislatures had the right to pass laws.

The veto is the only legal way for an executive branch to object to laws. Anything else is a violation of oath and impeachable at the very least.
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it is an objective fact that the 14th amendment makes executive branch nullification completely illegal
Could you lay out that argument, please? I don’t believe it is known as “nullification” but rather “prosecutorial discretion.”

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350k additional votes.

A good deal for him, not so much for the US.
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The extra votes take a lot of time to manifest— usually via US born children of immigrants. What happens more quickly is greater representation in congress according to population size.
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Banana cult.
Do you want a banana?

Close your eyes and open your mouth.
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it is an objective fact that the 14th amendment makes executive branch nullification completely illegal
Could you lay out that argument, please? I don’t believe it is known as “nullification” but rather “prosecutorial discretion.”
"No State shall ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." - 14th amendment


"prosecutorial discretion" is a tradition, not a law. If the prosecutor thinks no crime was committed or there is insufficient evidence but others do not, that might be called "discretion", but if a prosecutor (or the entire executive branch) thinks the laws shouldn't be enforced and therefore does not enforce them for any reason whether it be targeting an minority (such as an individual) or a blanket refusal; then that is denial of equal protection of the laws.

The case is strong on the plain language, and stronger when you look into the history, context, and debates which surround the 14th ammendment's drafting.

Basically the problem they were seeing was that whenever the racist ex-slavers (soon to be organized as the KKK) got control of a sheriff's office or judicial appointment they quickly cemented their power by having paramilitaries (mobs of 'young scholars') kill or terrorize any attempt to retake the power for republicans.

In other words people were being murdered, denied the ballot, etc... and the police, prosecutors, and judges said "eh, who cares".

That was their "discretion". The 14th amendment was designed to make that unconstitutional. There were people who were not being protected by the laws on the books against murder etc...

It was twisted later into the completely false interpretation that the amendment had to do with laws themselves. i.e. you had to check if your law equally impacted every arbitrary category of people you could imagine.

Again, this is false from the plain language and the context. They could have written "No state shall make laws which abridge the privileges of the citizens unequally with respect to race".

The constitution and the bill of the rights has clear examples of that form of language, the first amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

Instead they referred to "the laws" in the 14th amendment. What are "the laws" doing? Protecting people. This was still a time when people at least pretended that the purpose of law was to protect the rights of man. When you choose not to enforce a law, you're not protecting rights, and everyone is entitled to protection under the law.

That is what the 14th amendment means. "prosecutorial discretion" is legally meaningless before the supreme law of the land.
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Everyone knows that Trump is Jesus. Jesus returned just as he promised he would. Bible is true.
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Now they want to arrest our Lord Jesus(Trump) again. It all makes sense now. 
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Yes, the similarities between Jesus and Trump are uncanny:


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Trump is even humble like Jesus, so he wears a diaper.
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The extra votes take a lot of time to manifest— usually via US born children of immigrants. What happens more quickly is greater representation in congress according to population size.
Yes, it might be as you say. What I'm trying to point out, though, is that Biden will do everything to gain more votes no matter if what he does affects the Americans.

I've already said it, we are witnessing the "latinoamericanization", the "bananization", the decline of the US.
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The extra votes take a lot of time to manifest— usually via US born children of immigrants. What happens more quickly is greater representation in congress according to population size.
It takes less time when you print a ballot for every driver's license or census record and then send in fraudulent ballots or harvest the ballots of people who have no idea what's going on.

Not saying they can pull that off in every case, but the bigger the flock the easier it is to hide in it.
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The extra votes take a lot of time to manifest— usually via US born children of immigrants. What happens more quickly is greater representation in congress according to population size.
Republican Congressional districts represent less people than Democrat districts.

Republican Senators represent way less Americans than Democrat Senators.

So I would stop bitching about unfair representation in Congress if I were you.

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I've already said it, we are witnessing the "latinoamericanization", the "bananization", the decline of the US.

Banana cult.
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Banana cult
Do you have a desire to eat a banana?

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Trump gets blamed for every crime he commits.
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Its a very great conspiracy, or its lots of small conspiracies.
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It's really popular to hate Trump. Unless you have to buy food.

No wonder you are planning on starting a farm.
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I've already said it, we are witnessing the "latinoamericanization", the "bananization", the decline of the US.
Banana cult.
That worst part? We don't even grow bananas... we just sell weapons and high maintenance vehicles.
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It's okay, the military industrial complex can put Jose to work for the bare minimum wage operating an ammunition press.
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Maybe they could promise him citizen ship if he serves as cannon fodder on the eastern front (Ukraine)?

Well first they would draft the "maggots" to get them out of the way.
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Rights for migrants! They have a right to your jerbz!
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Facing criticism for repeatedly harnessing rhetoric once used by Adolf Hitler to argue that immigrants entering the U.S. illegally are “poisoning the blood of our country,” Trump insisted he had no idea that one of the world’s most reviled and infamous figures once used similar words. The Nazi dictator spoke of impure Jewish blood “poisoning” Aryan German blood to dehumanize Jews and justify the systemic murder of millions during the Holocaust.
“I never knew that Hitler said it,” Trump told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt in 2023, volunteering once again that he never read Hitler’s biographical manifesto, “Mein Kampf.”
“I know nothing about Hitler,” he insisted. “I have no idea what Hitler said other than (what) I’ve seen on the news. And that’s a very, entirely different thing than what I’m saying.”
So, if you talk like Hitler don't you think like Hitler?