Zelensky's term expired and nobody wants to talk about it

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Given my track record for supporting Ukraine, this post may come as a surprise. However, this needs to be said.

On May the 20th, President Zelensky's term expired. He did not stand for reelection. Nor did anybody else run in an election to replace him. His term simply...expired, and he is still the President of Ukraine.
In effect, he is currently a dictator who rules with the tacit consent of the people. The rationale of "We can't hold an election during a war" is silly. If it's about people in occupied territories being unable to vote, that didn't stop the country between 2014-2022, when Crimea and the Donbass were under Russian rule. If it's about the practical difficulties of people heading to the ballots while bombs are being dropped on their heads, some kind of a mail-in election could be arranged. Granted, this would be an imperfect election but it's certainly better than nothing. For all intents and purposes Ukraine is declining to hold an election because they don't feel like it.

And this is barely mentioned at all. Zelensky's Wikipedia article makes no mention of his term having expired. It acts as though he's still the fully legitimate President of Ukraine when this claim is questionable at best. The article on the Presidency of Ukraine briefly mentions that elections have been suspended during the war, but that's it. The article still assumes Zelensky is the fully legitimate president.

Here's the issue at hand: the Western press, just because it's sympathetic to Ukraine, is collectively presenting the dictator of Ukraine as its elected head of state no different from, say, the British PM or the President of France.
I have nothing against Zelensky, and hopefully he will resume elections after the war ends. It just strikes me as gross how easily they set aside reporting the most basic facts when it suits their purposes. We're not talking about the state-run media of Russia or China, or North Korea. This is the free American press, yet it reads exactly like the mouthpiece of the Biden Administration.
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Nobody has been wanting to talk about a ton of things going on in Ukraine....since 2014
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@Swagnarok
Accurate elections threaten "our democracy".


We're not talking about the state-run media of Russia or China, or North Korea.
If it quacks like a duck....
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So who would currently get to vote and where?
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Elections don't have to be a one-day, "show up at the polls at the same time" affair. That's the conventional way of doing it, but there are alternatives. They could do a mail-in vote. Or an in-person election spread out across several weeks. Or heck, do it over a phone app, provided there's some sort of verification in place to prevent fraud or citizens in occupied territories voting at gunpoint.

Point is, it's the job of the Ukrainian government to figure out something and then arrange for it to happen, on time or nearly on time. You don't just give up on elections because they're hard.
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Or heck, do it over a phone app, provided there's some sort of verification in place to prevent fraud or citizens in occupied territories voting at gunpoint.
Sounds kinda racist. We all know real democracies don't try to verify anything. What's next, literacy tests?


Point is, it's the job of the Ukrainian government to figure out something and then arrange for it to happen, on time or nearly on time.
I have an idea, give them an app which gives them a choice and tells them "thanks for voting" and then announce made up numbers.

That way the dogs of the state can claim there was an election without any of the risk or hassle of audits!
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His term simply...expired, and he is still the President of Ukraine.
Yeah, kinda hard to hold elections when you have millions on battlefield, and when 20% of your territory is in Russia.

Lol
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@Swagnarok
Elections don't have to be a one-day, "show up at the polls at the same time" affair. That's the conventional way of doing it, but there are alternatives. They could do a mail-in vote. Or an in-person election spread out across several weeks. Or heck, do it over a phone app, provided there's some sort of verification in place to prevent fraud or citizens in occupied territories voting at gunpoint.

Point is, it's the job of the Ukrainian government to figure out something and then arrange for it to happen, on time or nearly on time. You don't just give up on elections because they're hard.
There is a lot more to it than just getting folks to the polls, for a fair election there needs to be opponents, campaigning, some process for educating voters, and a process for free and fair voting.  Under the circumstances, none of that is feasible, postponement is what the Ukranian government figured out, and it appears to be the best decision to me.  Especially considering that I doubt anybody actually wants the job right now, Zelenski has a target on his back, does anybody else really want to wear it.




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I hope that one day the only way to vote will be through the Neuralink chip in your brain.
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Zelenski has a target on his back, does anybody else really want to wear it.
The point is there is no choice for the people. Mind you, the main reason why there won't likely be any real opposition to Zelensky is because the people that were against the war and the draft already fled the country, and it would be unlikely that these expat votes would be accepted or counted.

But it's really bad optics to refuse elections, even if some claim it would be a sham election in the middle of a civil war.

Lincoln knew this:
"We cannot have free government without elections; and if the rebellion could force us to forego, or postpone a national election it might fairly claim to have already conquered and ruined us."

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The charge of the light brigade was ordered by someone who was not there looking at the territory.  It's real easy to sit on your couch in front of your computer and make decisions about what the Ukranian government should do.  

I don't think they have time to worry about how it looks to all the clueless arm-chair quarterbacks half-way around the world.

You gotta love how the same people who are against free and fair elections in this country are bunged up about a postponement in Ukraine.  But hey, Putin is calling the shots, so if he says be upset about it, then you need to be upset about it.
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I am just saying President Lincoln and Zelensky had a fundamental difference of opinion.

If you want to smear Lincoln as an armchair president, feel free. You wouldn't be the first. (his monument is him literally in an armchair, lol)

Also, it was a faulty messenger that caused the Calvary to charge where it was not initially ordered to do so. (or fake news)
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I am just saying President Lincoln and Zelensky had a fundamental difference of opinion.

If you want to smear Lincoln as an armchair president, feel free. You wouldn't be the first. (his monument is him literally in an armchair, lol)
I really don't think the optics are an issue for Lincoln either.
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Well, maybe Zelensky does not have to worry about being assassinated IG. Clearly, Lincoln fatally made the wrong call by holding elections.

"We cannot have free government without elections; and if the rebellion could force us to forego, or postpone a national election it might fairly claim to have already conquered and ruined us."
-some armchair Republican of little note...
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Do they have free elections in Russia?
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No, elections never happen in Russia. They are as bad as Ukraine.