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@Tradesecret
Yes there's scripture that says Christianity came from God nor has ordained from the foundation of the world.
Did you know this about the holy scriptures?
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@Stephen
It was a good ride.
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@zedvictor4
And did you complete it, Vic?
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@Stephen
No problem, I paced it well.
6.25 hours with a quick refreshment stop in Tenbury wells.
And two or three pit stops in various gateways.
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@zedvictor4
Top man, Vic. I bet the dog was tired after being chauffeured for nearly hundred miles. .
Was it a charity affair?
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@Stephen
The dog is not too keen on being chauffeured, but Mrs Zed reported that he did not throw up on this occasion.
Nor did he do so on today's return journey.
He's improving.
I opted for a chauffeur driven return.
I much prefer Mrs Zed to drive, and Mrs Zed prefers to drive.
Win Win.
No charity involved.
It's a journey I like to do at least once a year.
There's bits with like a name folowed by numbers.
Example
Eric 22 : 48
Or
Stephanie 51 : 89
Then its followed by a funny worded sentence or two.
Wellllllllll, them parts are asking people to " decipher " it.
And boy can some people decipher BRILLIANTLY.
Some people means christians.
They are alllllllll real good at it.
And John'o does "it " diffrent then Ben'o buttttttt they both are the best.
Thus.
We've 878,265 Christians in .
☆☆☆☆ THE TOP 100. ☆☆☆☆
Sooooooooooo
Christian Ben makes parts of the bible wrong .
Says christian, Helen and Morris.
12 days later
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@Mall
Yes there's scripture that says Christianity came from God nor has ordained from the foundation of the world.
I'm not really sure of your point. The Scriptures do indicate that God has made for Himself a people.
And it furthermore declared that He called and predestinated them before the beginning of the World.
So if that is what you are suggesting, okay. I can live with that.
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@Mall
Tradesecret wrote @MallAnd it furthermore declared that He called and predestinated them before the beginning of the World.
Nope. No way was the creation of man "predestined before the beginning of the World". The Reverend Tradesecret should read the bible that he claims to have "memorised from a very early age and knows backward and forward ", a little bit more closely before preaching it to his imagined " congregation of over 300 every Sunday ".
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@Tradesecret
Correction: Yes there's no scripture that says Christianity came from God nor has ordained from the foundation of the world.
Man invented the religion of Christianity. Where it says people were predestined or predestinated, it says holy, not christian.
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@Stephen
The reference is in salvation or chosen in Christ specifically.
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@Mall
The reference is in salvation or chosen in Christ specifically.
Well if you actually read what the Reverend cretin "specifically" wrote to you he is "specifically" talking about the "creation of man being predestined before the beginning of the World".
SEE HERE>> #38
Which simply isn't true and that cretin of a pastor Tradesecret has absolutely no evidence to support that wild claim. No matter how many imagined theological qualifications the bible dunce claims to have.
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@Mall
Correction: Yes there's no scripture that says Christianity came from God nor has ordained from the foundation of the world.Man invented the religion of Christianity. Where it says people were predestined or predestinated, it says holy, not christian.
Well thanks for correcting yourself. It's amazing what can happen when you "put" all of the words into a sentence.
God has chosen us (the us we can leave just a little bit) Ephesians 1:4, before the foundation of the world. You are correct in that Paul continues to go on and say "to be holy and blameless". In love God has predestined us to be "adopted" as his sons through Jesus Christ. v.5
This is further argued over the next 5 verses beautifully and then in v.11 Paul repeats - we were chosen, having being predestinated, according to God's plan - ... in order that we who were the first to hope in Christ". Do you see that? It's not those who hope in something else apart from Christ.
The us are all those who are in Christ. Christians believe that is Christians.
2nd Timothy 1: 9 tells us the same thing. "This grace was given us in Christ before the beginning of time". But has been revealed through Jesus. in time.
Let me add, I am not talking about people being created before time. Or before the beginning of the world. I am saying that God chose who would be his before the beginning of time and predestinated them to be holy and blameless. I would suggest that chose and predestinated to be holy and blameless is referring to the specific thing that Paul mentioned in 2 Timothy - and what Paul articulated in Ephesians 1 as well as the Order in Romans 8.
This is the stance of the Reformed Church since at least Luther and Calvin and has its roots in Augustine and the NT, even going back to Isaiah and Jeremiah. Perhaps even back to Genesis 3:15. Thanks for your thoughts.
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@Tradesecret
The label of Christian and Christianity is man made man invented.
But according to the scripture, from the beginning, the religion ordained for those that were predestined, is of being holy.
But according to the scripture, from the beginning, the religion ordained for those that were predestined, is of being holy.
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@Stephen
"The Scriptures do indicate that God has made for Himself a people.
And it furthermore declared that He called and predestinated them before the beginning of the World. "
This is the context of what the other individual was talking about.
Those predestined to be God's people specifically. Scripture doesn't teach all people are God's people touching holiness and in the body of Christ.
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@Mall
The Scriptures do indicate that God has made for Himself a people.
Of the two biblical accounts, the gods simply chose to make a man. In the second account a god it appears, needed to make man because : "there was no man to till (dig) the land, this hardly indicates the predestination of the creation of a man before the earth was thought of. In fact, the creation of a man almost seems an after thought.
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@Stephen
Made for himself a people or God's people.
Do you think God's people is every single person?
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@Mall
Do you think God's people is every single person?
Not at all. The bible makes it perfectly clear on a number of occasions who "his treasured and chosen people " are, Mall...... and its not Christians.
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@Stephen
The Christian label is man made man invented. It started from a man calling another man that.
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@Mall
The Christian label is man made man invented. It started from a man calling another man that.
Yep. Jesus was a Jew through and through. I believe that he would have been appalled that a whole new religion had sprang up in his name.. There are no mentions of Christians in the old testament nor the gospels. And only less than a handful of times in acts
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@Stephen
Perhaps they came, did a bit of chemistry and then left.
Not realising that they hade just invented evolution.
Or perhaps they are just made up.
Or perhaps something else.
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@zedvictor4
Perhaps they came, did a bit of chemistry and then left.Not realising that they hade just invented evolution.
Good morning Vic.
This could well be the case in the creation/invention of man, Vic? And not worth me going into it at this point only to say that for me, evolution appears to work perfectly right up until man appears on the scene.
Hope you and yours are all well....... and Old Shep . Have a nice day Vic.
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@Stephen
Do you agree God of the scripture calls for holiness?
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@Mall
Do you agree God of the scripture calls for holiness?
Leviticus 20:7
The OT God appears to expect it from his "treasured and chosen people".
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@Stephen
Yup and from the new testament in the book of Ephesians and Hebrews, the scripture is not broken.
So you do agree.
This is why I don't have any tattoos.
Leviticus 19:26-28
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@Stephen
I tend to view the evolution picture as a beginning to end thing. Wherein everything is necessary.
But of course, everything might be unnecessary.
Have a good weekend Stephen.
Weather is looking reasonable.
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@Mall
Yup and from the new testament in the book of Ephesians and Hebrews, the scripture is not broken.So you do agree.
You will have to expand on that, Mall.
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@Mall
Assuming that a GOD speaks English.
I would suggest, based upon a hypothetical GOD, that the voice of GOD, maybe hidden in the hiss of background radiation.
Of course, all GODS are hypothetical.
And of course, holiness also means a state of being full of holes.
Rather than wholiness.
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@Mall
The label of Christian and Christianity is man made man invented.But according to the scripture, from the beginning, the religion ordained for those that were predestined, is of being holy.
Okay. Christianity is a man-made concept. People even used Christianity as an insult. Nobody disagrees with this. But So what?
The people who followed Jesus and his teachings were different to everyone else at the time. It stands to reason that people who follow Jesus' teachings, would be called or named Christians.
Even the NT uses that term.
Scripture, the OT. for want of a better term. It refers to the Messiah coming in a particular age to do a particular thing. Was that thing vague? Perhaps. But not to everyone. The wise men in the time of Herod, the Great understood it. They knew when the Messiah was going to be born. They even knew where.
When the Messiah did rise to prominence, those people who believed followed him and those who didn't, didn't. The one who did eventually became known as the Christians. They could have come up with all sorts of names. The NT has another name, the Way. But eventually they became known as Christians. This is historical facts.
Are these the ones ordained from the beginning of time, or even before the world was born, to be holy and blameless? I say yes. I would also include the faithful to the covenant in the times of Israel's history and those who were faithful in the time of Noah.