A common argument people are actually making right now

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Some people: End all immigration to the US because we don't need more democrat voters coming in here.

Me: What's the worst that could happen?  So what if the person in the Governor's mansion in Arizona has a D next to their name.  The Whigs went extinct; the federalists went extinct, the democrat-republican party went extinct.  If the Democrats win every governor's seat in the country (or at least 80% of them) and if democrats win 80% of the states due to immigrants coming here and voting overwhelmingly blue, then so what?  A new party will inevitably replace the republicans.  We've had FDR and Reagan win pretty big victories.

Life goes on and the party affiliation can matter for why you would vote for someone, but I don't think it's a good reason to exclude someone from the country simply because they are more likely to vote for a different party that you are.  If you want them to vote red, then convince them too (but understand that they may also convince you to vote blue as well).

Like, what is the point in voting republican?  To give more tax cuts to the globalists?  If you aren't a globalist, then why do you care what the tax rate for globalists is?  Wouldn't you care more about your kid being in a well funded school (only possible by taxing the globalists more)?
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Vote more Republican to extinguish liberalism.
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Why extinguish liberalism?
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The left has a consistent positive ethos, the right does not.
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Progressivism isn't liberalism, nor is the progression of a corrupt government good for a nation.
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It's the opposite of what their policies are.
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Tomato tomotto.
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What particular policy(ies) of leftism/liberalism do you oppose that justify banning all future immigration?

Like, what makes conservatism = good and leftism = bad that justifies banning all future immigration?
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Tomato tomotto.

I think it's important to judge a political party by the content of their policies and not the color of the labels.
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You act like Republican and liberal views are interchangeable.

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I couldn't say.

In general terms of banning immigration or forbidding non citizens to become citizens, I'd have to know the basis for such a prohibition.
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-> Like, what makes conservatism = good and leftism = bad that justifies banning all future immigration?

I couldn't say.
Maybe then it makes sense to at least unofficially leave the republican party then if you don't know why they are superior to the democrats.  I'm not saying become a democrat, but if you don't know why the GOP is superior, then maybe be an independent.  You can be right wing on abortion if you believe it's murder, but one right wing belief shouldn't mean you are right wing on every issue because that would not be being a free thinker.

In general terms of banning immigration or forbidding non citizens to become citizens, I'd have to know the basis for such a prohibition.
There is no good reason to ban immigration or forbidding non citizens to become citizens and there is no good reason for green cards or Citizenship to be barred from undocumented immigrants and ICE should be abolished due to it's pointlessness (ICE isn't racist, but the organization is pointless and helps nobody out).


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I have not identified any political position personally on this site.

I can argue based on a specific issue regardless.
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I can argue based on a specific issue regardless.
Alright; if you are an independent, then if you can't find a good reason to support kicking people out and creating single motherhood over victimless crimes, then oppose the idea.
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You may want to make the issue more clearer. I don't see the issue for the individual person .
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The issue is, "Is it acceptable to ban immigration because immigrants are more likely to vote democrat?"  The answer is no.  ICE should be abolished even if it leads to more people voting left (or right) because what party benefits under the status quo is irrelevent.
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I guess everybody has to decide for themselves on that .
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@Mall
Can you be more specific?
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The person has to understand and learn of what you're talking about on his or her own and take a stance.
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Correct, but you can't deport them even if they vote for a different party than you do.
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Depends on the law of the country.
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If the law calls for deporting anybody, then change the law.  Stupid laws shouldn't exist.
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Yeah