Do you want to live in total tyranny?

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They say that people dont want to live in total tyranny, that they want freedom to harm their society, that they dont like their society that much and that they like themselves more.

I ask you now, do you want to live in total tyranny?

If yes, then should it be more total and more radical tyranny than any tyranny before?

Are you ready to dedicate yourself to achieve that tyranny?

Are you ready to work 10, 12 or 14 hours so that tyranny can be built?

From now on, will your words be "Rise up, and let tyranny break loose!"?
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Isn't existence a tyranny that was imposed upon us?
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Isn't existence a tyranny that was imposed upon us?
Not if you are beautiful and successful.

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In my view the vast majority of people cant handle freedom.  Living free is the hardest existence there is. Freedom means no excuses and no bailouts for your shitty life choices.  No crying about what others have and you don't have, none of that. Your lot in life is all 100% on you. Everyone wants all the benefits of freedom and none of the responsibilities.

"You want to travel the road but don't want to pay the taxes to build it or maintain it" With freedom you are free to not pay the taxes but don't cry if those who did don't let you use the road.
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No crying about what others have and you don't have
So would you work 10, 12 or 14 hours a day so that tyranny can be built?
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In my view the vast majority of people cant handle freedom
So would you abolish freedom in favor of total tyranny, and dedicate your life to the tyrannical Emperor who dictates your whole life?
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"So would you work 10, 12 or 14 hours a day so that tyranny can be built?" This question indicates you are part of the vast majority.  Don't work, IDGF, don't contribute IDGF, sit on your fucking ass all day long and do nothing IDGF. I don't have to live your life. I am the tyranny you speak of.
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I don't have to live your life.
But which society would you rather have, pathetic freedom or radical tyranny?

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I chose to live a high quality of life. That means working in and around the reality before me. Your fixation with all or nothing scenarios are at best a guaranteed life of tyranny and misery from you life perspective. Again, sit on your ass and do nothing all day everyday and be 100% free, answer to no one and contribute nothing IDGF. Just don't cry about your shitty life and how none gives a fuck about  your shitty life.
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That means working in and around the reality before me
I understand what you are saying, but lets say you were given a choice to live in freedom where people do harmful activities or live in tyranny where all people are forced to work for the benefit of society, would you choose to live in tyranny?

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I already answered the question. Your all or nothing  scenario question is BS because that scenario will never exist. You will always answer to someone else, you will never be 100% free. And eve if you could be 100% free, you, like the vast majority, would be dead with in weeks. You couldn't handle 100% freedom. You would beg those who contribute for everything to stay alive. I wouldn't give you shit and I would let you die, you are free, remember. You don't need what tyranny offers. I'll say it again, "I am the tyranny you speak of"

I think the main difference between you and me is I don't have to be told or ordered to do anything, I do what I do to have a high quality of life. I can live the same life in any scenario. "I am the tyranny you speak of"
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Angel:  God,people are complaining on DA again that you made their life miserable, but you made Best.Korea, zedvictor4 and FLRW
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God:    Why do you think I lost my God license?
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@sadolite
you will never be 100% free
But would you rather have society with more freedom or more tyranny? I understand that you will never be free, but would you like to be more free or less free? Would you like to live and work for a more tyrannical society?
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you made Best.Korea, zedvictor4 and FLRW
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Yeah, I worked for like 20 days in my life and thats all, while others have to work for decades and all they get from that is pain in the back and a wage which cant afford them half the things I have. Lol
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What fucking part of it doesn't matter what you, I or anyone else fucking wants or thinks don't you get? You either accept reality as it is and work within it or you don't and live a shitty life.  If I cant change reality there is no point in commenting on it because what I think doesn't matter.  I cant make society less free or more free. Society will always choose tyranny over freedom.
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it doesn't matter what you, I or anyone else fucking want
If all people united, they could build a more tyrannical society than what we have now. We could build society where everyone has to work hard for the benefit of society and its tyrannical government. So in order to achieve a goal, you must first have a goal. Is your goal to build a tyranny greater and better than any other in history? What are you doing to achieve that goal?
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I cant make society less free or more free
People united together, billions of them, can work to make society less free by putting in power a more tyrannical totalitarian government. So I would say they have a choice. Its their fault if they choose freedom over tyranny.

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Yeah I am ready, kinda tired of this whole "democracy" schtick
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I am pretty sure my idea of freedom is way different than yours. For instance: Do you want a more free society that allows men with assless chaps with their dick hanging out the front to be allowed  to teach children in public grade schools.  If so, then I choose to live in tyranny were society is told that is not allowed. I care about financial freedom and private property rights  above all else. I really don't care if you cant act like a vile, rude, obnoxious  perverted disgusting pile of shit in public. Or that you cant turn 2000 year old established societal etiquette  norms up side down to please an infinitesimal few perverts.   "I am the tyranny you speak of."
So yes I would choose my style of tyranny over your perverted freedom, Metaphorically speaking. I am not saying you are a pervert, you are asking an undefined question which I must assume and consider all peoples ideas of what freedom is. I choose limited tyranny. Less free or more free is to undefined in your context. I have defined my idea of limited tyranny.
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Do you want a more free society that allows men with assless chaps with their dick hanging out the front to be allowed  to teach children in public grade schools. 
That does sound funny, especially if they have long hair and paint it in rainbow colors. But if thats your argument for freedom, then I guess I dont really have a response to that. I think I would still want tyranny, even if its less funny than the freedom you are arguing for.

If so, then I choose to live in tyranny were society is told that is not allowed.
So could you tell us what freedoms would you take away, and what freedoms would you give to current US American society to make it closer to your version of an ideal world?

I care about financial freedom above all else.
So would you increase financial freedom in current US American society? Would you say that people should have right to smoke and harm society with their financial freedom?

I really don't care if you cant act like a vile, rude, obnoxious  perverted disgusting pile of shit in public.
So you would take away people's freedom to be vile, rude, obnoxious, perverted and disgusting pile of shit in public? So would you say that in terms of behavior and family values, you prefer traditional tyranny or some new form of tyranny?

Or that you cant turn 2000 year old established societal etiquette up side down to please an infinitesimal few perverts.
Oh, so you are in favor of traditional roles of men and women when it comes to family? Is there anything new you would add to the traditional tyranny, or would you keep traditional tyranny as it was for the past 2000 years?
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I have said all I have to say and gave you context to extrapolate my views. If you cant reasonably extrapolate my views based on what I have said, that's your problem. Nothing but argument for the sake of argument from here on out. You have your ideas of what freedom are and I have mine. We agree to disagree on all that we would disagree without listing every fucking freedom you could possibly think of and every subcategory within that. Move on, I gave my opinion. Nothing else needs to be said. More free less free is to vague and undefined.
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Thank you for the conversation.
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One last thing, Anarchy is total freedom. 
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If I were to take over the world the first thing I would do is get rid of all monetary systems and replace them with science and technology, which would provide for every man, woman and child on the planet. Free, of course. No one would have to eek out a living through work or theft. That would be the first step because the love of money (greed) corrupts everything. All governments, religions, and commerce would be obsolete.

I would write a very simple constitution that protected the rights of individual life, liberty and property. The planet would consist of relatively small communities with no elected officials or agencies. Everything would be small scale and the community would decide upon what is needed, should be tried, changed, accomplished, etc. 

I think that is the opposite of tyranny. 


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No one would have to eek out a living through work or theft
Sounds good to me, as I dont like work or theft. Really, the idea that you need to work for your whole life is so stupid. Like, cant robots do the work for me? I am built to be cool and relaxed, I dont want to work because I think working makes people dumber. At least the ones who dont work have time to think. Those who work a lot, but not smart work, their brain shrinks over time. Really, you dont even see animals in nature working 10 hours a day, so humanity goes backwards in evolution.

All governments, religions, and commerce would be obsolete.
Would you make religions illegal, so atheists like me have to practice their satanism in secret? Thats kinda, I guess I could live with it, but wouldnt that be a waste of resources?

I would write a very simple constitution that protected the rights of individual life, liberty and property.
I guess you dont support things like forced marriages, but do you support circumcision? And how will people fight each other in your society? Will it just be verbal fights where people insult each other until one of them cries?

I think that is the opposite of tyranny.
I prefer tyranny, of course, but one can understand why people like being able to make choices in life, even tho I oppose to that, personally. I think one man should make choices and others are just supposed to blindly obey. That is fair and makes sense.
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Robotics can do pretty much anything humans can do and do it much better. More precise and efficiently. Delicate surgery and manual labor in every aspect of the industrial and service arena. You wouldn't think so, though, would you? If you've ever had to talk to any of the son of a bitches on the telephone. The thing is, though, getting rid of money is the key. People tend to think that you have to have it, and up until about the 1970s it was a good system. Since then, robotics can do pretty much everything and money only suppresses advancement. For example, gas powered cars and cancer cures. Cancer is big business but the treatment is only about as efficacious as placebo. It has stayed pretty much the same for about 50 years. There have been cars invented that run on water and 10 or 15 cures for cancer that have been suppressed that are 50 - 60% more effective than the industry standard.

Would you make religions illegal, so atheists like me have to practice their satanism in secret? Thats kinda, I guess I could live with it, but wouldnt that be a waste of resources?
Very little would be illegal. You could do whatever you like without hidden taxes like licenses. Any stupid thing you like as long as you don't interfere with anyone else's rights or safety. You could do whatever drugs, sex, work, religion or anything you wanted. The thing is, money is a big incentive. So, things like politicians, preachers, entertainers etc. who do things just for money wouldn't have the incentive. People would do things they wanted to do and they wouldn't need the money to do it. They also would have no reason to corrupt, for example, science and technology. To suppress its advancement because to do so would diminish their profit.

If you want to make money, use some non-governmental sort of currency (bit-coin, for example) and hoard it and feel superior or "independent" then go for it. But what would be the point when you wouldn't have to? Anything you wanted you could get supplied to anyone free of charge.

I guess you dont support things like forced marriages, but do you support circumcision?
It doesn't matter what I support, that's sort of the point. No one would tell you how to live your life. No one would have that control over anyone else. As long as you don't screw with anyone else's rights. An example.  Remember the big fuss a few years back over some cake maker who refused to make a gay themed wedding cake? The law said he had to. He wouldn't have to. To say he has to is a violation of his rights. So, modern democracy takes the individual's rights and sacrifices them for the rights of certain groups. That isn't fair.  

And how will people fight each other in your society? Will it just be verbal fights where people insult each other until one of them cries?
That would be up to them. Let's say there was a physical altercation, a person asaults another. That would be a punishable crime. But if two people agreed to a physical fight, let them have at it. 

I prefer tyranny, of course, but one can understand why people like being able to make choices in life, even tho I oppose to that, personally. I think one man should make choices and others are just supposed to blindly obey. That is fair and makes sense.
It doesn't make sense at all. But it's subjective, isn't it. If, for example, you wanted to be a tyrant and have that control, and others wanted to be controlled in that way,  go for it. But, it wouldn't be likely, would it? You would likely only be tyrant of yourself. If someone tried (and I'm sure they would) to force their own tyranny that would be a violation of other's rights. A punishable crime. 

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I would write a very simple constitution that protected the rights of individual life, liberty and property. The planet would consist of relatively small communities with no elected officials or agencies. Everything would be small scale and the community would decide upon what is needed, should be tried, changed, accomplished, etc. 
agorism ?
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Remember the big fuss a few years back over some cake maker who refused to make a gay themed wedding cake? The law said he had to.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday handed a victory on narrow grounds to a Colorado baker who refused based on his Christian beliefs to make a wedding cake for a gay couple, stopping short of setting a major precedent allowing people to claim religious exemptions from anti-discrimination laws.