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Person A: it’s to protect marginalised people from the hate mongering that’s happening online.

Me: This argument can be applied to any form of conservative speech. I'm going to go with NOT banning conservative speech because of an allegation that it goes after marginalized people.

Person A: if conservative speech consists of fear-mongering against marginalised people, that says everything we need to know about conservatives :)

Me: That is the majority of what conservatives believe. But would you censor all conservative speech? Yes or no.  Either it will be legal to say speech that affects marginalized people or it will be illegal to state conservative opinions. You got to pick. I pick free speech (I don't support banning books).

Person A: i would censor bigots, without a second thought.

Me: At least you are honest; you would censor republican leaners (about half of the country) because you believe they are bigoted.So then if you censor the republican party (whom you would believe all of their opinions are bigoted, so to you, they are bigots), then what would be the opposition to democrats? Is one party rule what you want where all oppression is minimized?

"Banning hate speech" is code for, "banning all speech we think is hateful, aka conservative speech."

Protect free speech!  And republicans; until you eliminate all the anti BDS laws in your state that make you sign a pledge stating that you won't boycott Israel and until you guys support the right to burn an American flag and the right to sit for the national anthem to protest police brutality, you guys don't believe in free speech either; so spare me your fake outrage.

I'm a free speech absolutist, and very few people are.
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Be careful what you wish for.
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I completely support the idea of having complete free speech, even tho it would be very bad for society.
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Reminded me of this
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The very core of free speech is not to protect speech you agree with but to protect  speech that you cant stand, hate, offends you, infuriates you, makes you cry, hurts your feelings and anything else that makes your butt hole squeeze together.  I cant stand far left speech, I think its fucking retarded and evil. But I believe in free speech and would never move to prevent such people from uttering their racists, hate filled, bigoted , communist loving  BS. Free speech isn't for everyone, especially the intellectually weak.
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but to protect  speech that you cant stand, hate, offends you, infuriates you, makes you cry, hurts your feelings
Yeah, like when people give me praises.

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Why?
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@sadolite
I cant stand far left speech, I think its fucking retarded and evil. But I believe in free speech 
Does that apply to all of the following:

1. Pro pedophilia speech (what causes Korea to get banned temporarily)
2. Pro BDS speech
3. Burning the US flag
4. Pro LGBT books (excluding child porn and similar) in elementary school libraries
5. Letting left wing teachers program kids into believing far left ideology

If not, then you aren't as pro free speech as you claim and most right wingers would want to ban at least one of those.
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All of the things you mention are done now. All I can do is tell my children the life consequences of promoting and engaging in such life style choices. I have no pity for any negative consequences for people  choosing to engage in and promote such behavior. That includes my own children. I told them strait to their faces of what to expect. If they choose to ignore it, that's on them.  I also told them the world doesn't care about you what you like or don't like or your lot in life. That's all up to you and you alone. My job as a parent is to give you the tools you need  to make informed decisions about all the BS life puts in front of you. The list above that you mention is just a tiny sample of the BS the world will throw at you and try and get you to eat,  metaphorically speaking.  The world is filled with people who seek validation for their perverse and disgusting behavior to feel better about themselves. I don't need validation to justify my behavior.  The people on your list do.

None of this BS is new. Ever generation thinks they know something that all the previous generations didn't know about society. All of this BS has been there done that a dozen times over. It always fails and comes back as nothing is ever learned from history.
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@sadolite
I asked a yes or no question and you did not give a yes or no answer.
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Since you are  to lazy to read what I wrote, yes I am for all forms of speech no matter how vulgar, offensive or off putting.  The world doesn't care about you or what you think about anything.
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@sadolite
At least you are honest.

I'm a free speech absolutist as well.
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"At least you are honest." As if there is any other way to be.  
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@TheUnderdog
That is the majority of what conservatives believe. But would you censor all conservative speech? 
Why do conservatives love to conflate bigotry and conservatism to then turn around and play the victim?

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Why do conservatives love to conflate bigotry and conservatism to then turn around and play the victim?
Many on the left argue any conservative belief is bigoted.

Abortion bans?  Bigoted towards women.

AR 15 legalization?  Bigoted towards children of mass shootings.

Pro Nuclear energy?  Bigoted towards Native American reservations where the waste would be stored.

Cutting government spending on welfare?  Bigoted towards poor communities of color that need that to survive.

Against Affirmative Action?  Bigoted towards blacks and Hispanics.

Pro death penalty (for murder)?  Bigoted towards a group of people that is disproportionally black and Hispanic.

All conservative speech can be argued to be hate speech towards a group of people.  Why else do you think most conservatives are white?
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Many on the left argue any conservative belief is bigoted.
So isn’t it better to argue that conservative beliefs are not bigoted, as opposed to accepting as a premise that they are bigoted in order to accuse the left of trying to silence conservatism?
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So isn’t it better to argue that conservative beliefs are not bigoted, as opposed to accepting as a premise that they are bigoted in order to accuse the left of trying to silence conservatism?
I would make that argument, but the left believes all conservative beliefs are bigoted (which I can see the argument for even if I don't agree).  So it's better to legalize being bigoted; air on the side of free speech.
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FYI I'm left wing, but I do totally agree with you here. As long as people aren't spreading misinformation, repeatedly attacking someone online, or calling for violent action, you have to take the good with the bad. That's free speech.  
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@TheUnderdog
I would make that argument, but the left believes all conservative beliefs are bigoted (which I can see the argument for even if I don't agree).  So it's better to legalize being bigoted; air on the side of free speech.
How is being bigoted illegal in any way you feel should be legalized?
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As long as people aren't spreading misinformation, repeatedly attacking someone online, or calling for violent action, you have to take the good with the bad. That's free speech.  
Free speech also means the rest of us get to criticize the things one says, and owners of a platform get to decide what content they wish to allow.

The right to say whatever one wants does not mean one gets to use someone else’s platform to say it.
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How is being bigoted illegal in any way you feel should be legalized?
It's more like I'm defending the status quo.  A lot of people want to ban, "hate speech" (which is code for conservative speech) and this is changing the status quo.  I support the status quo on the issue of hate speech / conservative speech legalization.
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Good point, didn't think of that