Framing matters

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How to get a conservative to agree with you on guns:

Don't say:

We need to end mass shootings
Instead say:

Karl Marx was a staunch pro 2A advocate; the 2nd amendment is backed by socialists.
With companies having vaccine mandates:

Don't say:

We need to let companies have vaccine mandates to protect their workers from COVID
Instead say:

The private sector having company policies that they agree with is free market capitalism.

With any social issue where the left agrees with libertarianism (immigration, Qualified immunity, War on Drugs), you can reference small government and individual liberty.  For abortion, you can add:

I don't want my tax dollars going to feed other people's kids in foster care.  That's SOCIALIST!

With any economic issue where the left disagrees with libertarianism, don't say:

We need to tax the rich to help fund the (insert social program here) of poor people
Instead say:

We need to tax the globalists and use the money to fund the (insert social program here) of American Patriots!

The correct framing can make left wing ideas sound like the MAGA crowd would agree to them.

At this point, I would say someone can probably agree with the democrats more than the republicans because they don't agree with communists like Marx on guns, they believe the free market can decide to mandate COVID boosters as a result of free market capitalism, they don't want to fund other people's kids in foster care so they prefer abortion, they like small government on weed, Qualified immunity, and immigration (at least wrt deportations), and they believe the globalists should be taxed more to fund the healthcare of American Patriots (they define an American Patriot as anyone who lives in America by choice, which would include undocumented immigrants since they chose to live in America).

If anyone is in the Bernie Sanders campaign, then they need to tell him to change his framing on issues to appeal to MAGA people.

I'm going to try and not to respond to any posts because I've learned that people here are almost certainly not willing to change their minds, so there is no point in talking to them about policy differences.
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You're learning how gullible the right is to propaganda.
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You're learning how gullible the right is to propaganda.
You think he's tried any of this out? Nah, he's jousting with windmills.

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@TheUnderdog

Pastor Marcus Lamb was an anti-vaxxer and he died from Covid.
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You can ignore science, but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring science.
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If this were true why is it that Trump has about 75% overlap policy wise with Bill Clinton and democrats aren't supporting him?
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Because the idea that Democrats are left wing is a lie in an inherently right wing socioeconomic system such as that which America has. Republicans are right wing and most Democrats are center-right and don't even support free healthcare.
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That paradigm maybe was true like 20 years ago and  is still repeated to this day. However it is no longer the case. The left is now trying to have open borders cut off children's dicks, eliminate funding from police etc. It's not center right 
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@WyIted
None of those things you mentioned are inherently left wing in nature. What do you think left wing even means?

Universal health care is still not the norm among Democrats, Bernie Sanders is called a "Socialist" when he's much more of a Social Democrat, and there isn't a single democrat promoting workplace Democracy.

Americans legitimately don't know what left wing even is. Left wing is about equality and increasingly Democratic/collectivized decision making the further left you go which includes both political and economic decisions.


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If this were true why is it that Trump has about 75% overlap policy wise with Bill Clinton and democrats aren't supporting him?
For possibly the same reason you don't support Liz Cheney despite her 90% policy overlap with Trump.
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Healthcare should be cheaper but not free. Someone’s gotta pay for the expenses.
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Did not mean to mention you. Sorry.
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Rich people should be forced to pay most of the tax for free health care. It is inhumane to be in favor of people who are already obscenely rich keeping a few extra bucks over people having equal access to healthcare.

In capitalism the value of your life is equivalent to how much money you have. Unless you are in favor of pure Social Darwinism and are amoral, being a capitalist makes you a hypocrite.

"I am just a little bit of a Social Darwinist though, I want to make it cheaper but not fully equal and free"

Well I am just a little bit of a child molesting cannibal. I make sure to only molest and drink the blood of one infant per month when I could do it every day.

People's lives are at stake, so if I am arguing from a position of morality I have to be in favor of not letting even one person die because Mr. Rothschild wanted to save a few dollars in tax.
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I agree
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For possibly the same reason you don't support Liz Cheney despite her 90% policy overlap with Trump.
She is an establishment shill