I am no longer a consequentialist

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After reading few pages of Ayn Rand, I am certain now that I shouldnt be a consequentialist.

Now, I wouldnt say I am very certain, but here is what I think.

People have life, freedom, pain, happiness..

It shouldnt be violated to uphold someone else's rights.

If person has right to live, by logic you cannot kill him even if it saves 5 people.

If person has right to painless life, you cannot cause him pain even if causing him pain prevents pain of millions of other people.

Now, of course, there are exceptions, but it does sound like a fine rule to go for to achieve it in greatest possible level.

Now, there is a difference between not causing pain and preventing pain, as causing pain requires you to exist to cause it, so not causing pain just means not to add to pain, where preventing pain means to act to prevent it.

So this moral system is based on lack of action like  "dont cause pain". Its not based on preventing pain like "act to prevent pain".

You can not cause pain while not preventing any pain either.
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You can not cause pain while not preventing any pain either.
Let me say it in a different way.

You can "not cause pain" while "not preventing any pain".

Yeah, that sounds correct.

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@Best.Korea
You've obviously never herd the phrase "The best of intentions" The single biggest cause of pain known to human kind.
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@sadolite
You've obviously never herd the phrase "The best of intentions" 
Its usually used to justify one's self when doing bad.

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@Best.Korea
Nor me.

"The best of intentions" aren't always welcomed, or acted upon positively by a potential recipient.

So perhaps it's best not to try too hard.

Sort of a Takeitorleaveitist.

Ist is a brilliant suffix.

Sort of an Istism.
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@Best.Korea
It shouldnt be violated to uphold someone else's rights.
If you've been reading Rand you need to keep reading because rights don't contradict.

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If you've been reading Rand you need to keep reading because rights don't contradict
I only read 1 page of Atlas Shrugged and some of her quotes which say what I said.
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@Best.Korea
List the good things about pain and its benefits.
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There is no beneficial pain, as every good thing which possibly comes from it is greatly outweighed by bad things, and they are not separable either.
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@Best.Korea
Have you ever heard "no pain no gain"?
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@Mall
Yes.

Thats a lie, because life without pain would be better even if there are no any gains.

Even death is better than life in pain.
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@Best.Korea
If you've been reading Rand you need to keep reading because rights don't contradict
I only read 1 page of Atlas Shrugged and some of her quotes which say what I said.
So you understand the philosophy like yoga cat ladies understand Buddhism. Got it.
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So you understand the philosophy like yoga cat ladies understand Buddhism. Got it.
Yes, thats about right.

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@Best.Korea
No disrespect but you're arguing ignorantly on this subject.
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@Mall
Well, yes, I can agree with that.

56 days later

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@Best.Korea
If person has right to live, by logic you cannot kill him even if it saves 5 people.

bingo


if you flip that trolley switch, you're a murderer


if you do nothing


you're an innocent bystander
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@3RU7AL
if you do nothing you're an innocent bystander
Yes, if I do nothing, I am not causing anything.

And I think that I dont have a moral duty to kill people to save people.