"Cause no pain" - a good moral system?

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I think its good not to cause pain to people.
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I’m pretty sure you’re trolling (it’s all you do here, mafia aside), but I’ll offer my opinion regardless.

As a general rule of thumb this is okay for talking to strangers and friends who aren’t close, but getting deeper into philosophy, this statement is terrible for deciding on laws and moral principles.

Have you heard of the paradox of hedonism?
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This individual argues for denying the pursuit of happiness. What else is akin to denying freedoms and rights, sexual abuse, trafficking?

The same individual argues freedom is good and denies it at once.
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This individual argues for denying the pursuit of happiness 
The individual who does what? The one who cites the paradox of hedonism as means of saying, we can’t let everyone do everything they want?
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Let me expand upon what I’m saying here.

What does it mean to cause pain? Are we causing pain by denying someone their pleasures? If so, the paradox of hedonism is a good angle to look at the issue from. 

The way I see it, the best way to pursue happiness is to pursue work, discipline, and ways to serve others. If we do this, happiness will follow. But if we pursue happiness directly by only doing what makes us happy in the moment, we destroy our chances at long-term happiness. That is the main idea behind the paradox of hedonism.

In knowing this, it is reasonable that sometimes, the best way to avoid harming others, is to thwart their hedonistic pursuits of pleasure.
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Are we causing pain by denying someone their pleasures?
No, me not giving you a blowjob doesnt make me at fault for anything, even if your pleasure is denied and pain is caused to you due to lack of blowjob.

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Also, I dont see why you are bringing up happiness in a topic about pain.
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The same individual argues freedom is good and denies it at once.
Sure, you dont have to stick to the topic.

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Ok so everything I said is irrelevant, because that’s not what you were talking about then.

In that case: Yeah, “do not cause harm” is a good philosophy. No shit, Sherlock.

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everything I said is irrelevant
Yeah, you made a mistake of confusing "not causing pain" with "preventing pain".

Despite being two completely different things, people often confuse them for being same because people dont know the difference between action and lack of action.
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I know the difference, I just assumed you were talking about a deeper topic than the basic statement of “don’t hurt people.”

I should’ve known better tbh
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Wrong. A good moral code is one that when implemented makes you less of a pussy. No pain no gain. HG
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Wrong. A good moral code is one that when implemented makes you less of a pussy. No pain no gain. HG
Now thats a good counter argument.

Pain is often necessary to get stronger. In fact, you cannot even work without experiencing pain.

I am surprised no one else thought of that. Everyone else ran away from the most obvious counter argument.
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It has been argued to me that freedom is good. No pain is good. So anytime, any means, that's any period ...you can eliminate pain, it is good.

So by taking away freedom which is bad to feel no pain is good concurrently taking away the happiness portion which would of been good would be the opposite at bad again.

Just compounded paradox on top of paradox on top of paradox stacked like pancakes better than IHOP.

That's basically the sticky syrupy mess of stance I'm getting through this topic in tandem with another from the same author.

 
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Just combine the idea of preventing pain by preventing people to be born with having freedom.

Don't you argue both the stances?

I'm putting them side by side for congruent measure.

To prevent pain would be good, is that so?
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Don't you argue both the stances?
Not in this topic.

In some other topic, I argue for freedom.

Are you taking issue with me not having consistent values? I really cant argue same thing all the time.
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No I don't take issue. Others scrutinizing for your stances doesn't give me an issue either.
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By that logic, since school causes pain to students, that we should ban school.  You may be preventing long term pain, but not preventing pain is not the same as causing it.
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 since school causes pain to students, that we should ban school.
I can agree with that, but not with ban.

I do think its wrong to force children to school.

Anyone who wants knowledge should seek knowledge.

We shouldnt force people to absorb knowledge, because thats how they are not gonna absorb much of it.
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I guarantee you, if you let kids not go to school and leave the choice up to the kid, then maybe 5% of our kids attend and then our society would be stupid down the road.  Parents know what's better for the kid in some situations than the kid.

The pain of the education system trained the minds who built the computer you use.  I'm pretty sure you would want those people to endure painful education.  Otherwise, you would be way worse off (and quite frankly; so would they as they would be starving since they would have no useful skills).
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our society would be stupid down the road
Our society is stupid.

The pain of the education system trained the minds who built the computer you use.  I'm pretty sure you would want those people to endure painful education.
It doesnt matter what I want. Maybe I am just a bad person and the moral system is good.

so would they as they would be starving since they would have no useful skills).
Well, it would still be a better world.
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Our society is stupid.
Not as stupid as a society where kids are free to not go to school.

It doesnt matter what I want. Maybe I am just a bad person and the moral system is good.
Or you can change your mind when someone makes a good point.

so would they as they would be starving since they would have no useful skills).
Well, it would still be a better world.
Starvation is better to you than slightly painful school?  I don't see how anyone smart can agree with that.
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Not as stupid as a society where kids are free to not go to school.
Well, agree to disagree.

Or you can change your mind when someone makes a good point.
I can, and maybe I even will.

Starvation is better to you than slightly painful school?  I don't see how anyone smart can agree with that.
Thats not what I said tho.

I think causing pain by forcing children to go to school is worse than not doing anything, even if not doing results in some starvation. Its still not you who causes the starvation.
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I think causing pain by forcing children to go to school is worse than not doing anything, even if not doing results in some starvation. Its still not you who causes the starvation.
And this is a crazy idea.

Kids should be taught.
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Kids should be taught.
I agree except not with force.

Besides, I am opposed to the idea of people giving birth to kids, but if they do give birth to them, they shouldnt cause them any more pain.

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I agree except not with force.
Kids (especially young kids) should be forced to do things that are objectively beneficial to them.  This is why the age of consent forces young kids to be abstinent; because sex at that age ruins their brain.  It's why we don't let 8 year olds get drunk.

Besides, I am opposed to the idea of people giving birth to kids, but if they do give birth to them, they shouldnt cause them any more pain.
My pro liberty ethos (for those old enough) allows for pain though.  If you want kids, then have kids.  People should decide for themselves, if they can afford it, if they want to have kids or not.

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I disagree with that.