Is homophobia akin to so called racism?

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Is homophobia akin to so called racism?

Can you disagree with a skin color?

Are you fearful of skin color?

Are you fearful of genetic annihilation?
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Is homophobia akin to so called racism?
No. Its not same. Hence the different definition.

Can you disagree with a skin color?
Yes.

Are you fearful of skin color?
Yes.

Are you fearful of genetic annihilation?
No, I am a virgin and my genes will go extinct by never reproducing, which is good because I wouldnt want to have an offspring which goes through all the pain the world has to offer.
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I admit, its a shame that my supreme genes go extinct, but this is the world ruled by inferiors and any attempt to change the balance right now is pointless because world does not really reward people according to intelligence or being good and holy.

Also, there is no other person like me to reproduce with, and reproduction of supreme with inferior rarely results in superior offspring.
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What if the offspring want the pursuit of happiness in the world.

You would want to continue to deny that.
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You would want to continue to deny that.
Yes.

I cannot know that my offspring will be happy.

I also cannot know that my offspring wont be in pain.

However, statistically, certain percentage of people are in pain.

Plenty of people suffer greatly. I dont wanna be adding more to the pile of suffering.

Also, even if 99 out of 100 people are happy, the existence of just 1 person who suffers makes that entire world immoral, and creating that world is immoral.

If you cannot create only happy people, better not create anything at all.
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Is homophobia akin to so called racism?
Pretending disgrace or lack of dignity for victimless sexual behavior is irrational, like racism.

Can you disagree with a skin color?
No.


Are you fearful of skin color?
No, not even orange.


Are you fearful of genetic annihilation?
In some cases, yes.
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Are you fearful of skin color?
No, not even orange.

In a society that chronically conflates skin color with a unifying culture, there might be some truth knowing that all cultures are not equal. In a perfect world, propaganda would ease up to allow the truth that people of a specific skin color can embrace any culture they wish to embrace, be it gang culture or an enlightened culture.

Similarly, in a society that conflates homosexuality with an exalted class, there might be some truth knowing that class inequality in society is a real thing to worry about. In a perfect world, homosexuality would be neither persecuted, nor exalted.
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What cases are you fearful of genetic annihilation?

Would it not include a case of homosexuality?
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Since you're arguing for nihilism, the destruction of life, why not wait and see the net positive results are possible first, then resume the diminishing of life?

Keep in mind euthanasia so don't even argue back about pain and suffering.

We have people that want to pursue happiness even if the cost is heartache. 

What gives you the right or a so called parent to take that right away outside of the law ?


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why not wait and see the net positive results are possible first, then resume the diminishing of life?
Net positive are not possible, as suffering is unavoidable.

Keep in mind euthanasia so don't even argue back about pain and suffering.
Euthanasia doesnt prevent all the suffering in the world.

We have people that want to pursue happiness even if the cost is heartache. 
What gives you the right or a so called parent to take that right away outside of the law ?
Rights which can exist only if there is unwanted suffering of others are not rights in any sense of the word, as they are a violation and not equal rights of any kind.
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What cases are you fearful of genetic annihilation?
In every case where the genes are not obvious defects (as defined by natural selection) in proportion to the criticality of the gene to the function of the organism and the similarity of the entire genome to my own.


Would it not include a case of homosexuality?
No.
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What cases are you fearful of genetic annihilation?

Would it not include a case of homosexuality?

Scientists have calculated that the average couple needs to have 2.1 children on average to maintain equilibrium. The .1 is to compensate for a person not being able to reach childbearing age, is sterile, refuses personally to have kids, or is gay.

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A homosexual case where the genes are not obvious defects would be a fearful case. 

But look it doesn't mean you're homophobic or make you homophobic. You just stand on the facts and you have a natural instinct on high alert for genetic survival. You hold genetic facts, you stand on them.
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Needs to have 2.1 versus 1 or zero. Scientists are on "the more the merrier " bandwagon.
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A homosexual case where the genes are not obvious defects would be a fearful case. 
What does that mean?

Who gave you two thumbs up for that?


You just stand on the facts and you have a natural instinct on high alert for genetic survival. You hold genetic facts, you stand on them.
So we're sure this isn't a bot? How?

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So we're sure this isn't a bot? How?
Its not a bot.

Not all people think/act/talk in same way.

Plus, he often makes too good arguments to be a bot.
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Plus, he often makes too good arguments to be a bot.
It could be mixed. A human writing some of the time, using bots other times.

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A case of homosexual activity that causes genetic annihilation of non defective genes is a reasonable fear.
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A case of homosexual activity that causes genetic annihilation of non defective genes is a reasonable fear.
If you're claiming I said that? No I did not.

Homosexual activity has no plausible way of "causing genetic annihilation" of any kind.
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"Homosexual activity has no plausible way of "causing genetic annihilation" of any kind."

Ok no "plausible" way so what other type of way is it?
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Ok no "plausible" way so what other type of way is it?
The implausible?

Well if there was a gene that made people super geniuses with an enormous capacity for compassion and creativity but also made them 100% homosexual (like throwing up imagining the other gender naked)....

... and somehow having homosexual sex just once made you infertile...

... then some homosexual activity would cause the annihilation of these very useful gene.
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Ok I gotcha. Point taken.
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Is homophobia akin to so called racism?
No, not even close. They are mutually exclusive terms/concepts. 

Can you disagree with a skin color?
No. No more than can you disagree with a word you cannot even hear being uttered. 

Are you fearful of skin color?
No, skin or the color of it doesn’t scare me. 
Well, that is unless it isn’t covered in pustules or chicken pox.

Are you fearful of genetic annihilation?
No. Why would I be? We all are born and then we die. End of story. Life will always find a way to carry on. 
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No. You can't change your race. Contrary to what gays may tell you, they were not "born that way."

Is it a good idea to start insulting, berating, or hating on gay people? No. But I wouldn't say it's as bad as racism.
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So homosexuality is a learned nurtured groomed behavior as opposed to it being natural, is that right?
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So homosexuality is a learned nurtured groomed behavior as opposed to it being natural, is that right?
Hold on there, just because something is developmental does not mean it was groomed. That means intentional.

Suppose for instance that we learned that pollen of a certain kind exposed to children between 4 and 5 produces allergies later in life. That does not mean anyone wanted the kid to have allergies, it doesn't mean anyone taught the kid to have allergies, it doesn't mean the kid wants to have allergies, and it doesn't mean there is a way to stop having allergies after the fact.

All that can be true even if "you're not born that way".


If there was simple genetic correlation it would have been found already. If it was simple environmental correlation (like watching same-sex hugging in cartoons) it would have been found already.

Thus we can infer that it is a fairly complicated and obscure set of causes, like autoimmune disorders, and it isn't at all wrong to call such disorders "natural". Ideal? No, but natural as pimples.
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No. You can't change your race. Contrary to what gays may tell you, they were not "born that way."
What of Allah’s will? 
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Doesn't matter to me.
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So homosexuality is a disorder.