Wylted Mafia DP2

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How is joebob scummier to me than you? Joebob can still claim bodyguard, you're my direct cc.

I admit I'm pretty deadset on joebob being fake if he claims bodyguard as I'll assume a bodyguard thinking there's a nurse it too crazy even for a noob.

I will listen to his reasoning though.
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I didn't omgus 7k at all. The opposite happened and I encouraged 7k to contribute more since I know it's an instinct in anyone especially a new player to vote who votes them.
Here’s the timeline:

RM votes 7000series out of random

Pie votes Bob (and 7000) for information

7000series votes RM as a gut read

RM says gut reads are fine (nothing about scummy)

RM says Pie is scum cause of fluff 

DP2 comes and RM says he voted 7000series for not contributing even though he scumread me
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I will let the other town member reread day 1 and see that I had 7k in my scumpile before you asked for more pressure.
Yet even though you scumread me, I was null?
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How is joebob scummier to me than you? Joebob can still claim bodyguard, you're my direct cc.
Then it’s Austin. Either way, it’s more clear.

I admit I'm pretty deadset on joebob being fake if he claims bodyguard as I'll assume a bodyguard thinking there's a nurse it too crazy even for a noob.

I will listen to his reasoning though.
You’re welcome to, but it’s abundantly clear that there’s one scum in each of Austin/Joe and RM/GP.

A scum RM would definitely ask what the town PMs were. He’s too paranoid not to
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You both need to full claim so we can POE is faster. No point in hiding information cause if we lynch weong we lose
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I am in school and don't have time tod respond rn. Will take a trough look when I get home. I cc vanilla
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So from your POV JoeBob is confirmed town because he has to be the bodyguard and there are two scum in RM, GP, Pie. I wonder who it could be…

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At this point I know both scum to near 100 percent assurance.

It's up to joebob and gp to decide correctly.

The near 100 percent refers to the fact GP can have somehow guessed what he did if scum were only sent you win with the mafia and not their role being mafia (goon) or whatever.

That is too absurd to assume scum ever guessed especially as fast as he did.

There is no more reasoning or guesswork for me needed then. I don't need reads it's a 3 way cc. This is pure tells now, ask me anything.
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At this point I know both scum to near 100 percent assurance.

It's up to joebob and gp to decide correctly.

The near 100 percent refers to the fact GP can have somehow guessed what he did if scum were only sent you win with the mafia and not their role being mafia (goon) or whatever.

Anyone can ask the mod a sample of what was sent to town

That is too absurd to assume scum ever guessed especially as fast as he did. 

There is no more reasoning or guesswork for me needed then. I don't need reads it's a 3 way cc. This is pure tells now, ask me anything.
So your read is exactly Pie/Austin and my read is exactly RM/Austin. I wouldn’t put the bussing past you tbh. You always want higher odds of winning
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Bussing? You're saying I'm bussing you?

So you want to flip scum and frame me by your own statement I'm bussing you? Newsflash, your partner Austin cc'd vanilla and has to bus you now.

This is your weakest performance I've ever seen.
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Bussing? You're saying I'm bussing you?

So you want to flip scum and frame me by your own statement I'm bussing you? Newsflash, your partner Austin cc'd vanilla and has to bus you now.

This is your weakest performance I've ever seen.

You’re bussing Austin lol. It’s your ego
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My ego. I am voting you.
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Up to y’all now. Nothing more I can do
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You know what you did!
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On a complete sidenote, how the fuck did the real bodyguard think there is a nurse and why didn't scum cc bodyguard?
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Ok im back, catching up on everything, will post soon.
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Confirmed (from my POV obvs):

Earth: Watcher
7k: Vanilla
Austin: Vanilla

Unconfirmed:

GP: Vanilla (claimed)
Pie: Vanilla (claimed)
RM: Vanilla (claimed)
Bob: Unclaimed, but basically 100% Bodyguard by POE - if any member of town was bodyguard they would've claimed by now or else they're just throwing

So out of GP, Pie, and RM, two are scum.

Let's take a look at possible combinations:

-GP and Pie:
Haven't interacted much
Some very weak bussing (vague accusations + GP vote on pie)
GP impossible to read as always

-GP and RM:
Possible
RM was quick to townread GP on a very weak basis (seriously, ofc Wylted is going to give mafia samples of town messages)
See above

-RM and Pie:
Hear me out, I think this is the most likely. Look at post #38: RM basically claims that Pie and me (Austin) are scum. Post #39: Pie claims that RM and me (Austin) are scum. With this in mind, why the hell would both of them not vote me?

Also look at their interactions with each other. They are bussing each other in some of the dumbest ways possible. RM scumreading Pie for tagging him when he already voted, Pie scumreading RM for not paying attention to the # of vanillas (how tf is that a scumslip?) RM is also acting a lot softer than normal compared to his usual town play, I would've expected him to act more aggro on Pie.

Combine that with RM basically buddying GP in the beginning for no reason, and it's pretty suspicious.

Will decide how to continue later. posting now


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VTL RationalMadman

Why were you so quick to townread GP?
Why didn't you vote me when you and Pie both agree that I'm likely scum?

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Why were you so quick to townread GP?
He said he was sent that he is Town and no role.

Even if I had been PR I would intuit that Wylted being Wylted he carelessly didn't send a vanilla his role.

Instead of being PR intuiting that, I was vanilla. Wylted had done the same to me and I'd already asked him what my role and he told me and added that he doesn't consider vanilla a role.

Why didn't you vote me when you and Pie both agree that I'm likely scum?
I don't agree that you're likely scum. You are 100% scum to me (or just below 100% since miracle guess by GP is the only way that isn't true).

At the start of this Day Period (DP) I already scumread Pie a lot, my scumread on you was weaker. I didn't 'note' that changing' in the day I made it very clear that I believe Pie slipped by not realising I was pressuring 7k and even @ing me to help him do it, which is carelessness Pie rarely makes as Town.

Pie is actually one of the few players on this site I think can compete at Mafia at a non casual level elsewhere, unlike most here. He plays very good as Town, as Scum he is more careless and usually less aggressive but clearly that changed this DP2 as he's still careless but very aggressive.

I voted Pie not even knowing if he's claiming bodyguard or what he is claiming, if he'd been uncounterclaimed bodyguard I'd have of course unvoted. This is plurality voting so I had time to unvote him no matter what before the ending.

I can easily vote you now if you want me to. You're acting as if there's a difference to me whether I vote you or Pie. It's exactly the same.
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@Greyparrot
You know what you did!
I did nothing. Biden lover RM did
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I say this in DP1
This is a bit bs. If I'm suddenly bandwagined lat minute I won't be here today efend myself I think hours wise

Wylted modslips that I am Town in what follows but I am sure the scum members will argue different and Wylted will deny it:
Yes plurality lynching benefits scum. I don't care the intention of implementing it is to punish an inactive town. Sick of seeing games where town does not vote and the day ends not because a no lynch was decided but just because people refused to participate. 

I am going to try and stfu as much as possible now as to not be distracting. Any discussion on this point further should probably be a new thread where we can all bitch about whose personal philosophy is best. 

Even if you deny this is is a modslip that I am Town, I would like you to observe how flawed Pie's logic is this entire DP about why he's even arguing I'm scum, nothing he is saying adds up.
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 (seriously, ofc Wylted is going to give mafia samples of town messages)
What do you mean by this?

You and Pie are both sure Wylted would be an abusive game mod and do this, I can't believe he'd actually do that.
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So do I say whether I’m vanilla or bodyguard? Or am I not allowed to.

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There is only one possible thing you can be at this point. It's up to you to out it or not, I am definitely not voting you.
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Unconfirmed:

GP: Vanilla (claimed)
Pie: Vanilla (claimed)
RM: Vanilla (claimed)
GP did not actually claim vanilla this entire game yet but I am sure in your mafia chat you have regarded him as a vanilla for a while now so you forgot to check that before posting this.
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 Post #39: Pie claims that RM and me (Austin) are scum. With this in mind, why the hell would both of them not vote me?
RM is more confirmed scum to me than you from my POV. Think about it, theoretically GP could still be scum. All GP has done is buddy RM. My only hesitation is the initial Vanilla thing cause I got the same thing. I’m leaning 55-45% in his favor just because of it. However, I know RM really well. He would 100% ask for the town PM before hand. Scum are also goons this game (confirmed by Wylted), so the PMs could’ve been structured the same cause a goon is a vanilla mafioso.

Also, RM to me is more of a threat objectively from my perspective. He relies on bullying you and just flooding the DP. You’re welcome to look at past games. I’m really beginning to reconsider if you’re the last scum or GP is but in either scenario, RM is definitely scum from my POV which is why I am voting him


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RM is more confirmed scum to me than you from my POV.
How is that even remotely possible to claim?

I can't be more confirmed scum to you than Austin, not in any world is that even possible to be true.
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Wylted modslips that I am Town in what follows but I am sure the scum members will argue different and Wylted will deny it:
Mod psyche doesn’t work 90% of the time. You should know this why now RM.

Even if you deny this is is a modslip that I am Town, I would like you to observe how flawed Pie's logic is this entire DP about why he's even arguing I'm scum, nothing he is saying adds up.
Everything adds up. You were laying the seeds for my lynching since DP1. We all know you are a calculative person. 
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What do you mean by this?

You and Pie are both sure Wylted would be an abusive game mod and do this, I can't believe he'd actually do that.
Lmao this is firstly WIFOM. Second using PM structure is borderline cheating if one party knows and the other doesn’t. Every mod ive played with including Wylted in the past would give the information 
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you pulled that 90% out of your ass, I know it works on a site like this because mods are sloppy. On sites where mods are seasoned pros you can assume an apparent modslip is often them knowing that others know they'd say X regardless.