On every issue I thought of, I thought of a left wing stance using right wing ethos

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The GOP doesn't consistently believe in anything.

I can't do this with the democrats though; their ethos is anti-unwanted pain.
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Isnt individualism right wing?

"The end does not justify the means. No one’s rights can be secured by the violation of the rights of others.


Everyone has the right to make his own decisions, but none has the right to force his decision on others."

Ayn Rand

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"Capitalism has been called a system of greed—yet it is the system that raised the standard of living of its poorest citizens to heights no collectivist system has ever begun to equal, and no tribal gang can conceive of."

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."
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"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."
This is firstly a complete and utter lie, since anti-predatory AKA anti-monopoly laws are one of many examples of this not being the case.

The government interfering in the economy can help stop toxic ways an unfettered economy results in the slums and starvation you see in 'third world countries' most of which are extremely libertarian chaotic capitalist examples of what happens when the government fails to fine-tune it to be merciful on the poor within it.
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As I always say.

In terms of the imposition and enforcement of ideology.

There isn't a great deal of difference between far right and far left.
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Anti unwanted pain is such a terrible paradigm and evil. I would say I don't really have trouble applying a left wing ethos to right wing ideals and in fact drop my own opi ions in debates I take seriously and usually use them to attempt to appeal to a leftwing ethos. 

I also believe that you need to just become more informed about right wing politics if you want to criticize them. Read some Evola or something.

As far as conservatives that are not right wing, it wouldn't be consistent because it would essentially be the same as the leftwing ethos except conservatives believe in small incremental changes 
 To achieve the same ends this can be explained by the Chesterton post analogy that describes why they want to make sure they are making positive change and not destroying things in the process that may be beneficial. 
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Anti unwanted pain is such a terrible paradigm and evil. I would say I don't really have trouble applying a left wing ethos to right wing ideals and in fact drop my own opi ions in debates I take seriously and usually use them to attempt to appeal to a leftwing ethos. 

I also believe that you need to just become more informed about right wing politics if you want to criticize them. Read some Evola or something.

As far as conservatives that are not right wing, it wouldn't be consistent because it would essentially be the same as the leftwing ethos except conservatives believe in small incremental changes 
 To achieve the same ends this can be explained by the Chesterton post analogy that describes why they want to make sure they are making positive change and not destroying things in the process that may be beneficial. 
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To be anti-pain, you would have to be pro morphine from cradle to the grave.
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This is firstly a complete and utter lie, since anti-predatory AKA anti-monopoly laws are one of many examples of this not being the case.
Anti monopoly laws punish businesses for providing g a better service to their customers to a large enough extent to cause them to become monopolies. By cracking down on them you benefit smaller businesses unfairly. 

I do think this can be a good thing. The punishment of success doesn't have to have bad results but you would be wrong in your criticism of B.korea
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To be anti-pain, you would have to be pro morphine from cradle to the grave.
This is exactly where a lot of their ideology falls apart and they intuitively know this is wrong. This anti unwanted pain paradigm is of course not the motivation behind liberal ideology. Op is just incorrect here. Off the top of my head I can think of 3 reasons for liberal reasoning and AUP is not behind any of it. although I could see AUP as being some ad hoc reasoning they apply to it. Here are the main 3 types of liberals I can think of.

1. Slave morality liberals- By far the vast majority of liberals. It's a collectivization of the weak against the strong and they use bullshit ethics that they don't even believe in for a sense of superiority over the strong. They can't actually be physically stronger, wealthier or more socially adept than the strong so they feel better than the strong by attacking ideals like masculinity or by attacking everything as being ableist and even the socially adept are reasoned as having bigger networks because they are using their white supremacy to form them.

2. limousine liberal- The wealthy elite who think of themselves as benevolent dictators who attack the structures of society to reinforce their white savior complex. You can see examples of these white saviors in several hollywood movies that promote this narrative. Either a white teacher who saves a school full of black children by teaching them in a hardcore way, a rich white woman saving a black retarded kid by telling him to tackle people. They are depicting their ideal of a white savior and usually it is in the form of stealing a life story and twisting it to their narrative.

3. midwit- midwit is typically somebody who has an IQ between 115 and 130 and consider themselves smart. They don't realize that if you eliminated the mentally deficient from society and only included non mentally deficient people in average IQ rankings than you will see the midwit is really not intelligent but instead has a mediocre IQ. We also refer to these people as "reasonably intelligent people" When discussing them in an academic setting as to not offend them. Reasonably intelligent children are usually really good at school. They are good at memorizing facts and typically straight A students. Most reasonably intelligent people display . that intelligence by how well they conform to society and often will be praised "This kid really did learn fast that WW2 ended in 1945" Or they really did learn fast how to get along well with peers and to not offend. These people as adults will often "trust the science" and be "debunkers". They aren't really intelligent they just go with whatever the popular narrative is. The popular narrative was that we should all get vaccinated. Now there are some geniuses who agree that we should all get vaccinated, there are also geniuses that disagree. However the difference between the genius who agrees with them is that he has actually done his research and is considering in addition to the science things like the philosophical implications of vaccinating and measuring the trade offs in other areas with requiring vaccinations. The midwit is just following the popular narrative of what he heard on the TV and what all his friends are saying, the ones who are "deboonking" are using statements from the world health organization or other organizations they think of as "official" because they are midwits and they display this by how well they comply to the establishment and established order.  The actual intelligent person has questions the midwit does not. If a midwit is told by their parent "Don't say curse words" at 10 years old, they don't do it or they consider it wrong when they do. The intelligent kid asks why and he doesn't settle for answers like "It's just wrong" . they actually give it a lot of thought. Or they ask a ton of questions and are not settled with bullshit answers. They will either decide through good reasoning on their own why cursing is bad or good or neutral but they will not just blindly comply like the midwit. They have actually done studies where they put midwits in classroom settings and ask everyone what 2+2 is and when everyone answers 5, the midwit will change his answer to 5 and also state out loud that his answer is 5. The genius will say 4 and doesn't care about that sort of social pressure. Funny enough the idiot will also say 4 and trust his instincts which makes the idiot and the genius both more honorable than the midwit.


So there we have it 3 types of liberals. 3 moral codes

wokie/normie- Salve morality embodied through liberalism

limousine liberal- narcissist who thinks he is helping the world through his top down elitism

midwit- A conformist who doesn't know better and as soon as the paradigm switches back to the right these people will also be right wingers and funny enough the geniuses might switch back to the left while these midwits just swallow up the bullshit of the establishment that had they been born 30 years earlier they would hate.
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I criticised his quote/logic, not him. You did nothing to invalidate it, just made things up.