The death of Neocons and how they deserve it

Author: WyIted

Posts

Total: 34
WyIted
WyIted's avatar
Debates: 31
Posts: 5,446
3
4
9
WyIted's avatar
WyIted
3
4
9
It was 1964 and Goldwater won the republican nomination. The libertarians in the party usually voted with the liberal wing of the republican party . The thought was that we agree on more than we disagree with the liberal wing of the republican party who eventually evolved into neocons.

The Romney family has a history of treachery though and so the precursor to neocons decided to give lyndon B. Johnson the presidency. The guy responsible for the murder of JFK. They actively worked against Goldwater and this effort was lead by the Mitt Romney's father.

Libertarians are cucks so they continued to vote republican . However the libertarians had some success in helping yo make the parties more ideological. 

After the succesful coup by neocons, we had nothing but Neocon successes. We had Reagan win the white house and then both bushes. 

Then a man named Pat Buchanon stepped up in 1999 and their was an ideological fight. Bush was for the wealthy, the banks and wanted the party to only be a party for the wealthy while Pat Buchanon thought cultural things were more important. Pat Buchanon lost and the necons won again dragging the party down. 

It got to the point where in 2016 Bush was lamenting that he would be the last Republican president. I guess he at that point aincerely believed that cucking to liberals was the only way republicans could win. 

However something happened. Trump was not afraid to engage in a cultural war and as a result he surprised the nation by single handedly saving the republican party, and when you look at the 2024 field you see neocons areno longer welcome. Chris Christy is universally hated, Liz Cheney has been relegated to her corner to wither and die and the trailer family Romney are now democrats who will be voting Biden. 

The neocons destroyed the party and they destroyed the country, but they couldn't destroy the American spirit and I am so glad that Bush gets to be alive to see republican debates where each candidate is fighting to see who can shit on him the most. 

It makes me happy that Bush will see his ideological fight with Buchanon lost and can die knowing that both the left and the right have rejected his evil insanity


WyIted
WyIted's avatar
Debates: 31
Posts: 5,446
3
4
9
WyIted's avatar
WyIted
3
4
9
Welcome to my blog
WyIted
WyIted's avatar
Debates: 31
Posts: 5,446
3
4
9
WyIted's avatar
WyIted
3
4
9
I will.never forget the smug look on McCains face when he revealed himself to be a secret democrat and save obamacare. It was a fuck you to his party smd country. And when you see the plans being passed around which replaced obamacare with the exact same bill but merely with some alterations that were the biggest complains of Republicans and democrats, it was literally a symbolic fuck you to Republicans 

Essentially anyone that read some of these bills going around it really was just tweaks on obamacare and maybe changing the name to Trump care just to trigger libs. 

He absolutely deserved what happened to him in Vietnam
WyIted
WyIted's avatar
Debates: 31
Posts: 5,446
3
4
9
WyIted's avatar
WyIted
3
4
9
One of mcCains last speeches. 


Ìn  it he urges his fellow senators to ignore the public  and to trust each other.

Two evil things right there evil thing number one. Ignoring the public because you feel like you are king of them and they are piss ons. Evil thing 2, trusting evil people who are politicians. 

He goes on to promote other evil ideals in the speech. For example he calls for incremental changes. Sorry bucko, but instead of incrementally making America less evil how about just not being evil?

Incremental change is stupid unless you only need to change an incremental amount. It's like telling some crack and heroin addict to just quit Crack. No, how about quit harming yourself altogether. .

The whole speech I think may have been a nod to Satan to prove that even at the end he was loyal to the cause of evil. 
Greyparrot
Greyparrot's avatar
Debates: 4
Posts: 25,958
3
4
10
Greyparrot's avatar
Greyparrot
3
4
10
-->
@WyIted
McCain was a very petty man. I am glad he wasn't rewarded with a presidency.
WyIted
WyIted's avatar
Debates: 31
Posts: 5,446
3
4
9
WyIted's avatar
WyIted
3
4
9
-->
@Greyparrot
I wouldn't normally speak ill of the dead but dude is on the same level as Romney senior. That betrayel of Goldwater and yet Romney junior was allowed to still be a republican while saying his dad is principled. I read through his letters to goldwater. Romney was being a dumbass and basically admitting goldwater was right but that he wasn't liking the fact he didn't use rhetoric he liked. Or nit picking g about where emphasis was placed while claiming to agree with him almost entirely . Not sure if Romney Sr. Or McCain was worse. Probably senior because goldwater would have never have gotten us into Vietnam
Greyparrot
Greyparrot's avatar
Debates: 4
Posts: 25,958
3
4
10
Greyparrot's avatar
Greyparrot
3
4
10
-->
@WyIted
Lol, you should read the youtube comments on that speech.

They all have the basic theme: "I am a Democrat, and I absolutely adore McCain."

smh
WyIted
WyIted's avatar
Debates: 31
Posts: 5,446
3
4
9
WyIted's avatar
WyIted
3
4
9
I guess the one benefit of being a piece of ahit is that if you betray repu license at the right time in your political career than democrats like Obama will speak at your funeral and say nice things. 
WyIted
WyIted's avatar
Debates: 31
Posts: 5,446
3
4
9
WyIted's avatar
WyIted
3
4
9
-->
@Greyparrot
I did I responded to some, but it seems like it is entirely democrats. Those fuckers weren't saying that when he helped to force the patriot act through. 
Greyparrot
Greyparrot's avatar
Debates: 4
Posts: 25,958
3
4
10
Greyparrot's avatar
Greyparrot
3
4
10
I guess the one benefit of being a piece of ashit is that if you betray republicans at the right time in your political career than democrats like Obama will speak at your funeral and say nice things. 

And get a spot for your daughter on "The View"


At least until she decided being like her Dad was hard work....
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
-->
@WyIted
He absolutely deserved what happened to him in Vietnam
Unironically believing torture and kidnapping with constant fear of death being deserved for wanting affordable healthcare for the poor...

You're off the deep end, take some time away from politics and breathe.
IwantRooseveltagain
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 7,597
3
3
6
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
IwantRooseveltagain
3
3
6
-->
@WyIted
He absolutely deserved what happened to him in Vietnam
What a moron. And I have no doubt you get your family health insurance from Obamacare 

when you see the plans being passed around which replaced obamacare with the exact same bill but merely with some alterations that were the biggest complains of Republicans and democrats, it was literally a symbolic fuck you to Republicans
Oh really. And where exactly did you see these plans?

Republicans planned to simply cut millions of Americans loose and have them go without healthcare insurance. That was their plan.

So if you mean the plan was NO PLAN, then ya they had a plan.
Best.Korea
Best.Korea's avatar
Debates: 356
Posts: 10,597
4
6
10
Best.Korea's avatar
Best.Korea
4
6
10
-->
@IwantRooseveltagain
Insults are also nonsense.
Best.Korea
Best.Korea's avatar
Debates: 356
Posts: 10,597
4
6
10
Best.Korea's avatar
Best.Korea
4
6
10
-->
@IwantRooseveltagain
I dont often see someone's debating style being based on mostly insults such as "moron" or attacking someone's job.

But it does make the left look like a bunch of triggered people who cant have proper debate, so you are helping the right more than you realize.

I used to base my debating style on insults too, but I stopped because I didnt really need them.
IwantRooseveltagain
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 7,597
3
3
6
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
IwantRooseveltagain
3
3
6
-->
@Best.Korea
Nonsense deserves nothing but derision 

IwantRooseveltagain
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 7,597
3
3
6
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
IwantRooseveltagain
3
3
6
the Republican bill to “replace” Obamacare was released without any Congressional Budget Office score, a sign that Republicans may be worried about the fallout once Americans understand how many people could be affected by changes in coverage.
Greyparrot
Greyparrot's avatar
Debates: 4
Posts: 25,958
3
4
10
Greyparrot's avatar
Greyparrot
3
4
10
You guys do realize all 10k pages of Obamacare was written by the insurance lobbies......

Since when did insurance lobbies care about the poor?
IwantRooseveltagain
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 7,597
3
3
6
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
IwantRooseveltagain
3
3
6
You guys do realize all 10k pages of Obamacare was written by the insurance lobbies......
That’s a lie. You lie every day.

The insurance companies had a seat at the table when the bill was being crafted by Congress, along with state officials, healthcare providers, big pharmaceutical companies, and more.

The health insurance companies were able to strip out the public option, but you wouldn’t support that anyway because it makes too much sense.

Greyparrot
Greyparrot's avatar
Debates: 4
Posts: 25,958
3
4
10
Greyparrot's avatar
Greyparrot
3
4
10
I don't support any legislation crafted by lobbies and the billionaire class.


RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
I find this thread slightly ironic because I agree both on Neocons being dysfunctional+deserving of downfall and dislike John McCain but for very different reasons to Wylted.

I even was scolded by the then-relevant alt of Zarroette AKA Kaitlyn AKA whatever, for saying good riddance when McCain died rather than faking much respect for him.

He was a bloodthristy (warmonger) chameleon (not to republicans, to his family's agenda of war for the sake of war, much like the Bushes etc) but to hate him for wanting affordable healthcare is like hating DebateArt because of its obsession with orange.

Find a real reason to loathe someone.

Oh and the reason Neocons deserve their downfall is they're backwards fools, nothing is neo/new about them at all. They think stone age politics is the dream goal. Anarchocapitalism has been tried, that shit doesn't work well for a society.
Greyparrot
Greyparrot's avatar
Debates: 4
Posts: 25,958
3
4
10
Greyparrot's avatar
Greyparrot
3
4
10
-->
@RationalMadman
I find it hard to believe you would willingly support the lobby class and billionaires.
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
-->
@Greyparrot
Don't really care.

You are a dimwit with a blindfold on if you think you have to be entirely grassroots to be supported.

I supported Elizabeth Warren as she was one of the only candidates ever to get that far on raw grass roots, with almost all the right morals.

The world isn't a fairytale. This class you say I should oppose are simply more geared towards things that hurt the poor when the right wing candidates get power, proven time and time again.

Trump's got that class behind him too, you just don't seem to have a clue. McCain is establishment as fuck, research his father.

Remind me again, what do you support? Or do you just point to the billionaire boogeyman, no different to a (typical) socialist?
Greyparrot
Greyparrot's avatar
Debates: 4
Posts: 25,958
3
4
10
Greyparrot's avatar
Greyparrot
3
4
10
-->
@RationalMadman
I support a government run by the people, not the lobby class.

The people would have never created 10,000 pages of what really should have been called "insuranceCare"
Best.Korea
Best.Korea's avatar
Debates: 356
Posts: 10,597
4
6
10
Best.Korea's avatar
Best.Korea
4
6
10
-->
@Greyparrot
I support a government run by the people
Or a government which considers what people want and acts on that.

RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
-->
@Greyparrot
And how exactly do unqualified people, geared to specialise in completely different jobs and careers end up running the country so well?
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
-->
@Greyparrot
Can you talk some more on how your country is run?
Greyparrot
Greyparrot's avatar
Debates: 4
Posts: 25,958
3
4
10
Greyparrot's avatar
Greyparrot
3
4
10
-->
@RationalMadman
 running the country so well?
Because collectively, a group of 100 average people is better equipped to deal with the infinite possibilities of unintended consequences than 1 super smart expert in a specialized field or one super rich Billionaire.
IwantRooseveltagain
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 7,597
3
3
6
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
IwantRooseveltagain
3
3
6
I don't support any legislation crafted by lobbies and the billionaire class.
Are you suggesting idiots like yourself should craft legislation?

Best.Korea
Best.Korea's avatar
Debates: 356
Posts: 10,597
4
6
10
Best.Korea's avatar
Best.Korea
4
6
10
-->
@IwantRooseveltagain
You keep insulting people instead of responding to arguments.
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
-->
@Greyparrot
Because collectively, a group of 100 average people is better equipped to deal with the infinite possibilities of unintended consequences than 1 super smart expert in a specialized field or one super rich Billionaire.
Sorry but if you combine the expert with the billionaire and understand what 'equipped' means, you're sorely misled if we talk on politics.

That being said, you're kind of right. What I mean is they need people, leaders are literally nothing without the '100' in your scenario. We aren't electing a singular leader every election, you know there's a whole party and system in place right? It's also why I don't care if I can find a positive trait in Trump or negatives (plural) in Biden or the equivalent in another country, I analyse the parties, see the political climate and vote for the party as in the team I want in power. I don't blindly go 'left' out of loyalty but I consider the endgame.

The endgame of neocons is as nonsensical as the fact every time I ask you to describe the system you want in the country you keep saying you want it run by people rather than saying the system you want them running.