A person said because I debate well, that I make some tips on how to do better

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But I will probably create some suggestions that I think can make people smarter and produce better arguments.

1. Don't cite biased wing cites and treat it like they are objective.  If a left winger cites CNN or Huff Post, then the right winger dismisses it as leftist propaganda.  If they cite FOX or OAN, then it gets viewed as RINO because people tend to see parties as single issue parties, when in reality, it's multi issues.  If a republican says transwomen are women; the left praises them for abandoning their party on that issue and the right thinks they are RINOs.  If a democrat says abortion is murder, then the equal and opposite occurs.  This hypothetical pro trans republican and pro life democrat are ideologically identical on these 2 issues (they are both pro lifers that think transwomen are women), but the parties would cancel someone they view as a, "traitor to their team".

2. Understand how your opponent thinks.  I'm not talking about their opinion on a belief; I'm talking about their morality.  If you are a democrat, then your value is Anti-Unwanted Pain (AUP) and you are pragmatic with how to get there.  If you are a republican, then your value is often a lot less principled, but it's very ideologue.  An example of an ideologue AUP person is a socialist.  In order for a right winger to convince a left winger of their belief, then you have to prove your belief is AUP.  Otherwise, it is impossible to change the AUP person's mind, so there is no point (unless you want to debate which value is superior, AUP vs an example alternative moral code like LUSHO (Liberty Unless Significantly Harming Others, which is my moral code) or CPL (Consistent Pro Lifer), or TASQD (Tradition And Status Quo Defender), or some other moral code that) in debating moral codes.  You got your moral code; I got mine.  As long as we are consistent with both of our moral codes, then me trying to convert you to my moral code would be like a devout Muslim trying to convert a devout Christian to Islam.  But unlike religion, where everyone can live by their religious views while barely forcing that on others; a Jewish POTUS doesn't have to force me to live by their Jewish beliefs, but a AUP POTUS would have to force me to live by their moral code.  Otherwise, what's the point of there being a POTUS?  Maybe there can be like 10 Co Presidents and if AUP gets 40% of the vote, LUSHO gets 30%, CPL gets 20% and TASQD gets 10%, then 4 of the Presidents would be AUP, 3 would be LUSHO people, etc.  There is no point in doing debates if everyone's moral views are formed and it is impossible to change those views, although these views are less hereditary than religion.

3. Pretty much try and follow the rules more or less in these videos:


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I put my moral code on my profile and I encourage others to do the same.
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While I disagree that you debate anything close to well, I regard you as a mid-as-heck debater, I agree with your number 2 being extremely important. It's my greatest edge in debates and is how I rip noobs and mids to shreds in ways that are so low effort yet ruthless, in ways other pros need double the effort at least, to be doing.

I don't agree with you saying it's pointless, I think your advice is more applicable to daily-life debating. However, knowing truly how your opponent thinks is so important to low-effort high-brutality debating against noobs and mids, saves you so much effort.
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This should be in the DART main section or in the miscellaneous btw, ask a mod to move it.
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This should be in the DART main section or in the miscellaneous btw, ask a mod to move it.
Sure.
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RM wants this thread to change locations.  I'm fine with that.
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4. Be the lovable rogue that all your pals want to cuddle and vote for.

Does RM fit into this category?
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2 is probably the best one.

If you can beat opponent with his own moral system, its a much better win than if you were simply imposing your own moral system.
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Does RM fit into this category?
I don't think he does.
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What's your moral system?
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My moral system is that morality is subjective, so I dont have one rule which fits all.

Its more about benefits vs harms.

But there are general principles:

1. Preventing my great pain is most important.

Basically, nothing else matters if I am in unbearable pain.

2. Creating some happiness

Well, I am not really a big fan of trying too much to be happy, but some happiness is good

3. Increasing knowledge

It might seem at first that this has no place in moral systems, but actually, it is related to every moral system, as they usually depend on knowing a lot to be able to judge.

4. Preventing great pain of others, or not causing more pain than I remove.

5. Increasing freedom

I think that greatest freedom exists when person has the most options to choose from, and when he is aware of all options.

So increasing knowledge is related to increasing freedom.

6. Principle of non-action

This one, also known as wu wei, means that in most cases, it is better to not do anything.

It is based on idea that person has no obligation to fight against evil, and that usually, fighting against evil creates more problems, especially if evil has lots of power.
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1. Preventing my great pain is most important.

Basically, nothing else matters if I am in unbearable pain.
It's ok to believe this, but I place little importance on reducing pain if it's temporary pain, especially when compared to something more long term.