is polyamory making a come back with humans?

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According to a 2011 paper, early humans began to shift towards monogamy around 3.5 million years ago. However, the species never evolved to be 100% monogamous. 

Fossil evidence suggests that monogamy predates even Ardipithecus ramidus, a 4.4-million-year-old partial female skeleton. 

Recent anthropological data suggests that the modern concept of life-long monogamy has only been in place for the last 1,000 years. 

In Israel, the Second Temple period, from 515 B.C.E. to 70 C.E., brought about widespread monogamy. Men began to pledge their fidelity to their first wife and polygyny in the area was reduced. 

Scientists at University College London believe monogamy emerged so males could protect their infants from other males in ancestral groups who may kill them in order to mate with their mothers. 
i've read that most males, historially, didn't reproduce. a minority of men, were responsible for multiple women having babies. the current trend with dating, in the usa, is that women only are atracted to the top fifth of men, and get passed around by them when they are younger. i think what's happening, is that many women refuse to settle or lower their standards, in expectation of our still mostly monogamous society, and so we see stats that show half of adults will soon be unmarried and childless, women included. 

but is this trend to fuck around when younger, and the breaking of social norms regarding sex and marriage and attractions, leading to a time when only 'chads' and above average men will impregnante the majority of women? if life long monogamy is only recent, and being serial monogamous before that for a short while... are humans evolving back to the old polyamorous set up? are we in the process of switching? it kinda looks like that, and it's at the root of humans as a biological species. 
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"Virginity is a social construct traditionally used to control young women, but for young men in the last decade, the social construct has haunted them instead." 

"About 27% of men under thirty report that they haven't had sex since turning 18, according to this chart attributed to the University of Chicago's General Social Survey, up from 8% in 2008."


I am a virgin. Being virgin isnt so bad. Person can drink. 

Plus, its kinda double standard.

Women who are virgin are more often praised. Men who are virgin are more often shamed. 

Its really a pointless social pressure.
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I never wanted kids since I am poor (worth less than $300 million).
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Today's human population is descended from twice as many women as men. I think this difference is the single most underappreciated fact about gender. To get that kind of difference, you had to have something like, throughout the entire history of the human race, maybe 80% of women but only 40% of men reproduced.

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the quote from the last post, is like the modern 'no fat or ugly chicks' in modern times,and no below median men, for how hard it is for modern men in the usa to breed or have relationships. but if half of women are soon not gonna be breeding, as is the fact i've heard, then i think our modern monogamous lifestyle, and college and hook up culture (these are constraining women when they are younger and should be reproducing. women lose fertility fast and faster between thirty and forty, to a large degree, and we see women fucking around until 30, not setttling the next few years, then not being able to reproduce at all by the time they find someone), and refusing to settle, are all pressuring women be less successful biologically, in reproducing,than they use to be. 
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According to a 2023 Gallup poll, nearly a quarter of Americans think it is morally acceptable for a married person to have more than one spouse at the same time. This is an increase from 5% in 2006. 

Polygamy is rare in the United States and Canada, especially in the West. However, it has recently made a comeback due to popular TV shows that show a positive side to it. 

Polygamy is illegal in most countries, and laws that allow it are primarily found in the Middle East and Africa. However, some cultures accept polygamy, such as some Islamic, Hindu, and even Christian countries.

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Woman who is older than 30 years has only 50% chance for getting pregnant.

Women usually prefer to wait until they are older to have kids.

This reduces their chances of having children.
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"More and more people are delaying having children until their late 30s or 40s. But as you age, so do your ovaries and the eggs inside them. You cannot see or feel these changes, and they happen faster than you may think."

"A woman's peak reproductive years are between the late teens and late 20s. By age 30, fertility (the ability to get pregnant) starts to decline. This decline happens faster once you reach your mid-30s. By 45, fertility has declined so much that getting pregnant naturally is unlikely."

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here's a quick long list of attractiveness facts that defy political correctness, but are true. very insightful. i think you might have a care about this sorta stuff, but not sure. 
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According to a 2012 study, the X/A ratio for bonobos is 0.85, which means that on average, two females reproduce for each male. 

However, in bonobo communities, a few males monopolize reproduction. For example, one study found that the most sexually successful male fathered 60% of the next generation. Another study found that the most reproductively successful male in bonobos achieves 62% of paternities, which is higher than in 
chimpanzees

According to NCBI, male mountain gorillas who achieve alpha status have large reproductive payoffs. In one-male groups, the alpha male sires all offspring. In multimale groups, the alpha male sires about 85% of offspring.

According to Nature, only 52% of male savannah 
baboons ever father an infant. The number of infants sired by these males varies from 1 to 16. 

  • This is jut one of many, many traits we share with the rest of primates.
  • Look at primative social groupings like cults:  Koresh was sleeping and fathering children with most of the women in the group.  JIm Jones fathered dozens of the children he murdered and also asserted his sexual dominance within the male congregation as well.  Warren Jeffs fathered about 60 children.


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how dating and romance sucks for many men, and why many are opting out 
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Political correctness?

There is nothing politically correct about nature.

The video says that attractive people get more praise.

Its easier to hate ugly people than it is to hate attractive people.

The idea that looks dont matter is based on delusion of equality and equal chance.

People are not equal, so dont have equal chance.
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that guys whole channel is super insightful. i wouldn't be surprised if he's a genius, and if not, then autistic in his insights. 
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different philophsical approaches to genders and modern dating in usa 



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the college and hook up culture we have, hurts both men and women, but it mostly hurts women. im surprised this quote doesn't include lack of passing on women's genes... cause college and hook ups, are artificial methods that distract from our biological drives, and as has been said, women end up getting infertile and then it's too late. 

According to Psychology Today, hookup culture has been widely documented and is widely documented. Some say that hookup culture can do more harm than good. 

Here are some ways that hookup culture can hurt women: 

  • Mental health
    Studies show that women are more likely than men to experience mental distress, low self-esteem, and regret after hookups. Research also shows that women associate hooking up with high regret and disgust.
  • Emotional needs
    Health experts worry that hookups can negate young women's emotional needs.
  • Sexually transmitted diseases
    Health experts worry that hookups can put young women at an increased risk of sexually transmitted diseases.
  • Unprepared for relationships
    Health experts worry that hookups can leave young women unprepared for lasting relationships.
  • Unfulfilling script
    Some say that hookup culture has enslaved college-age women to a cultural script that is unfulfilling and leads to higher levels of anxiety and depression.
  • Attitudes toward future relationships
    Hookup behavior may influence attitudes toward future romantic relationships.
  • Gender inequality
    Sociology professor Elizabeth Armstrong asserts that the patriarchy plays a role in hookup culture. Armstrong says that men are often socialized to disrespect and even dislike women.

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hook up culture mostly hurts women, but we should also talk about men too 
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Before any boomer comes in here with the usual "porn and video games" nonsense just know that this trend isn't happening in Russia whose young men play more video games, watch more porn, and drink more alone. Something is deeply wrong with America.
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"Black Pill is for Tinder, Red Pill is for the club and Blue Pill is for church."

"Black pill is just a brutal reality check of your situation, which in turn helps you decide whether or not to pursue the red pill or accept defeat"

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how trying to date or choosing to date sometimes doesn't make sense 
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All that women need these days is the chance to lick each other senseless and a sperm bank.

If social media is to be believed.


A controlled breeding programme is perhaps a long way off, but will perhaps be the way forwards.


Recreational satisfaction comes with a variety of options...Relative to acquired sexual angst of course.

Though, orgasm achieved... Roll over and go to sleep.

So do we really need someone snoring, farting and oozing next to us?


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When AI sexbots are created, no one will have kids.
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Hmmmm

Sexbots seem sort of outdated already.

All we need is a tiny orgasm implant...LOL.


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college expectations for youth, has harmed women
hook up culture, has harmed women
social media, has harmed women
internet dating, has harmed women

women are just pawns in this downfall of society.  most of the time they aren't aware of the forces at play. women get harmed, and men become the collateral damaged victims too 
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Women want all of those things you mentioned. This is the feminine imperative. Marriage with the man as the head of the household is ideal for men.
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Depending upon where one lives of course, women seem to be doing OK.

You seem to be reflecting upon an old patriarchal view of society...Where female autonomy, harms masculinity.
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women fuck around until 30 then have high standards for the next five to ten years, or shit happens and it takes longer. these women miss out on having biological children and lose out on finding a decent mate when pickings are best, when they are younger. yes, studies show single women are the happiest of all demographics, but many of these single women wanted a decent husband and children, and never got them, and end up rationalizing about their situation or settling in life. all those things i mentioned in my last post, definitely hurt women. 
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Fewer than one in three adults in the U.S. believe that it is essential to marry in order to live a fulfilling life, and only 36 percent believe that having kids is essential to fulfillment.