Neither angels nor Gods, but an alien team. The preface to an awaited fall of religions.

Author: IlDiavolo 11 months ago

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12.17.2023 11:33PM

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@Stephen

"memorise the bible backwards and forwards from very early age"

Now it all figures. This poor little man has been brainwashed since the very begining. I wasn't wrong when I pitied him, and I feel really blessed for not being in his shoes. He must have had a tough childhood, being forced to memorize all this bullshit, and who knows maybe being raped. He sure is a slave of his religous sect.

By the way, he says he's not catholic. What kind of christian sect does he belong to? I can imagine it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=90OFZQx_7xI Lol.

Try reading Divine Encounters Zecharia Sitchen. I believe it is right up your street and you'll enjoy it.

There is a lot to go over, but what drew my attention the most is what you already presented about the twelve signs of the Zodiac. I've seen we're in the Piscis Era, which started around the times of Jesus and will end supposedly around our times.

From what I understand, the power is handed over each time there is a change of an era. What kind of power is it? who holds the power right now? Sitchen talks about Marduk who was a babylonian "God" of the last era and fighted with other "Gods" for the power. These battles are also mentioned in the bible, Lucifer for example is one of the "fallen angels" defeated during those battles. So, it seems there were battles between the aliens, after all they are like us, fighting all the time. Moreover, according to Flavius Josephus, there were also battles in the sky around the time Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans: www.strangehistory.net/2011/02/28/josephus-armies-in-the-sky/

I hope you elaborate more about it according to your readings. It can be related to our times because you can see lot of testimonies from different sources (psychics, contactees, researchers, prophecies) about a "shift in the earth and humanity", we're in the middle of a great change where the aliens are part of it. That explains why there are UFO sightings and why there are people trying to declassify secret documents about it in the US, it's like a preparation for something that is coming in the following years.

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12.17.2023 11:44PM

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I see tradesecret, a nice calm manned , aparantly knowledgeable , good type of person.
Thats Apparent.

Yes, he seems to be a good person until he starts talking about religion. It's the typical behaviour of a dogmatic person, he can give you a big smile, but if he finds out you're a non-believer he will beg "God" to see you burn in hell as a roasted chicken. These people are dangerous, I speak from my own personal experience.

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12.18.2023 12:55PM

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@IlDiavolo

Try reading Divine Encounters Zecharia Sitchen. I believe it is right up your street and you'll enjoy it.
There is a lot to go over, but what drew my attention the most is what you already presented about the twelve signs of the Zodiac. I've seen we're in the Piscis Era, which started around the times of Jesus and will end supposedly around our times.

There are no short answers to the things you are asking but I will try to keep them brief. But read this post first. I hate covering ground already trodden. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10145-neither-angels-nor-gods-but-an-alien-team-the-preface-to-an-awaited-fall-of-religions?page=3&post_number=64

And from what I have to say, I would rather you work some of this out for yourself rather than me put words and thoughts into your mouth and mind. I am only writing what I believe as I understand it. I will never claim to have proof. I am not that "stupid or dumb as fuck" as one absolute arrogant wanker here believes me to be.

I will, as best I can, offer you what I believe is BIBLICAL evidence that may well support your theory.

When looking at this from the religio/biblical side of the argument there is multiple biblical evidence for what I am suggesting. So I'll cover just few of them from the NT.

The wise men are said to have "seen HIS star". Matthew 2:2 " We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.” To me clearly indicates that they were astronomers /priests and had been searching or waiting for this sign in the sky "heavens" . What's more, they knew what it meant.

Jesus calls out the puppet priests for their lack of knowledge concerning the " heavens".

Matthew 16:1-4 "You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times". Adding: An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of Jonah. This is a clear reference to the Fish; Pieces. See Jonah 1:17

The Priests, if they had been legitimate, would have known these rules and although the signs were all around them in the Temple, they didn't seem to know what they signified. It was a Zodiac of the twelve constellation and adorned with emblems and depictions resembling all things celestial. The bible, Old or New Testaments gives no mention of what the inside of the Temple looked like it only refers to it structure, size and materials used.. So your question here is, how did Jesus appear to know all about these things but not the priest of his time?

Jesus himself speaks of the signs of the "end of the age". Matthew 24:3-14 ESV and refers to them as the "birth pains". i.e. the beginning of the end times, as a women in labour and due to give birth. Revelation goes a little further and speaks of what happens during and what follows any war and natural disaster in those times. Going so far as to talk the black market caused by starvation and inflation, disease and pest infestation and inflation of the price of food. Try to imagine what is must have been like 2000 years ago; no sanitation, no medicine, no doctors, hospitals or emergency services and all the while the earth is literally crumbling around you.

Luke 21:25-26 "And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves, 26 people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken", <<, this is caused by the close proximity other "heavenly bodies" are to the Earth. Similar can be read in Matthew 24:29 ESV "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken".

But going by your ancient alien/"god" theory , IlDiavolo it is this that should interest you most. Jesus is asked by Pilate, " are you a king"? and Jesus replies: "My kingdom is not of this world". John 18:33-36.

Jesus makes clear distinction between the kingdom of heaven (Jerusalem) and the kingdom of "god" in the "heavens".

So for me, there is no getting away from the fact that astronomy/astrology is the key, the sole KEY to what these ancient priests and kings were ruled by and these were "the mysteries of heaven" that Jesus taught to the very few of his followers. Thy "WILL" be done on earth as it is in the heavens. Who was offered the key? And to what was the key to, according to the biblical authors.

Pieces/Fish to Aquarius. Look at the sign for Aquarius what do you see?

From what I understand, the power is handed over each time there is a change of an era. What kind of power is it?

The "god" of "gods" has the overall power.

And yes, those were the rules agreed upon by the council of the "gods". Psalm 82 The Sumerians tell us that the sky, Earth and the nations was divided by the "gods" into twelve houses/tribes with the son's of "god" to rule over each house, the bible supports this I believe in; Deuteronomy 32.8-9 But it has to be kept in mind that the "gods" went by a different measurement of time. With us, time as you know is measured by the movement/ orbit of the earth around the sun. it is clear from many statements made in the scriptures that the "gods" measured time (to begin with) by the orbit of their own heavenly body around the Sun. And it is maybe for this reason that the bible says: " A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day".

Who holds the power right now?

I have already alluded to this when I said to you, remember what your teacher taught you; knowledge is power. So he, or they, that have all the knowledge have all the power and always will have.. Ordinary people are only given the illusion that we have any power. Ask yourself, who is it that has all the power today?

Sitchen talks about Marduk who was a babylonian "God" of the last era and fighted with other "Gods" for the power.

And as I have already mentioned, when ever these cross- overs happen, the outgoing house doesn't simply surrender power without a fight. In the case of the son of a "god" Marduk the Sumerians tell us in the Enuma Elish that he called time far too early and this caused a great war that ended in the fall and destruction of many cities in Mesopotamia...... including Babylon. Not all of these houses /ages are the same length. So in other words, Marduk couldn't tell the time.

And Marduk (who is mentioned in the bible) was sent into exile and became known as the "invisible god"<<< does that ring any bells?

These battles are also mentioned in the bible, Lucifer for example is one of the "fallen angels" defeated during those battles.

This is a different story entirely and has to do with "gods" anger at the behaviour of his "son's" coming to earth and raping "the daughters of men" and inso doing defiled themselves. I can suppose that he considered "gods" having intercourse with human women as some sort of bestiality.. But it is nothing to do with the wars of "gods" for control of Earth and its people.

It can be related to our times

I agree it certainly can. The Old Testaments records a few of the cross overs. Prediluvian and Antediluvian.

But you have to be careful not to present your theories as fact, as Pastors and Priests do, and all the fkn time.

I personally believe that you are on the right track and shouldn't give up your research, ideas or studies just because some thick, prick Pastor attempts to debunk you..... and in my case failed all of the time, every time.

I think I have covered what you have asked me about. If I haven't then simply ask again. D.

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12.18.2023 09:52PM

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@Stephen

Luke 21:25-26 "And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves, 26 people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken", <<, this is caused by the close proximity other "heavenly bodies" are to the Earth. Similar can be read in Matthew 24:29 ESV "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken".

Well, I guess this is what Sitchens referred to as the 12th planet that will come sooner or later to hit the earth. Am I right?

But going by your ancient alien/"god" theory , IlDiavolo it is this that should interest you most. Jesus is asked by Pilate, " are you a king"? and Jesus replies: "My kingdom is not of this world". John 18:33-36.
Jesus makes clear distinction between the kingdom of heaven (Jerusalem) and the kingdom of "god" in the "heavens".

What do you mean? Jesus is already dead, isn't he?

Pieces/Fish to Aquarius. Look at the sign for Aquarius what do you see?

You mean the wars, economic crisis, pests, and so on that are taking place nowadays?

I have already alluded to this when I said to you, remember what your teacher taught you; knowledge is power. So he, or they, that have all the knowledge have all the power and always will have.. Ordinary people are only given the illusion that we have any power. Ask yourself, who is it that has all the power today?

To me there is no institution with more power than the Vatican, the catholic church. They have all the ancient knowledge of this world if you refer to it.

So in other words, Marduk couldn't tell the time.
And Marduk (who is mentioned in the bible) was sent into exile and became known as the "invisible god"<<< does that ring any bells?

I don't know too much about the bible, but Jesus is who I found as the "invisible god". All the same, Jesus is already dead, isn't he?

This is a different story entirely and has to do with "gods" anger at the behaviour of his "son's" coming to earth and raping "the daughters of men" and inso doing defiled themselves. I can suppose that he considered "gods" having intercourse with human women as some sort of bestiality.. But it is nothing to do with the wars of "gods" for control of Earth and its people.

Sure. I was just pointing out that aliens have battles, like us.

But you have to be careful not to present your theories as fact, as Pastors and Priests do, and all the fkn time.

Of course not, but I have to say there are coincidences with the information I have, especially the one about the 12th planet.

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12.18.2023 10:20PM

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@IlDiavolo

Luke 21:25-26 "And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves, 26 people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken", <<, this is caused by the close proximity other "heavenly bodies" are to the Earth. Similar can be read in Matthew 24:29 ESV "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken".
Well, I guess this is what Sitchens referred to as the 12th planet that will come sooner or later to hit the earth. Am I right?

No. I am referring to a combination of planets moving into close proximity to the earth. The gravitational pull can be anything from 3 to ten fold. Simply imagine the effect this has on the Earth. The earth being pulled one way and another, stretched and and caused to move deeper on it axsis. This is the what the ancients called "war in heaven". Sitchin's 12th planet is a bit of a misnomer. This is because the ancients collectively called the planets , sun and moon "heavenly bodies" which total twelve. He actually makes the point of explaining this to his readers. The planet of the "Gods" he refers to as planet X i.e. the tenth planet.... Nibiru.

Did you read this link I posted in my last post above?

But going by your ancient alien/"god" theory , IlDiavolo it is this that should interest you most. Jesus is asked by Pilate, " are you a king"? and Jesus replies: "My kingdom is not of this world". John 18:33-36.
Jesus makes clear distinction between the kingdom of heaven (Jerusalem) and the kingdom of "god" in the "heavens".
What do you mean? Jesus is already dead, isn't he?

That depends on what you believe Jesus meant when he replied "My kingdom is not of this world".

Pieces/Fish to Aquarius. Look at the sign for Aquarius what do you see?
You mean the wars, economic crisis, pests, and so on that are taking place nowadays?

I asked you what the Sign was, not what is believed to occur at the crossing over of the ages/houses.

I have already alluded to this when I said to you, remember what your teacher taught you; knowledge is power. So he, or they, that have all the knowledge have all the power and always will have.. Ordinary people are only given the illusion that we have any power. Ask yourself, who is it that has all the power today?
To me there is no institution with more power than the Vatican, the catholic church. They have all the ancient knowledge of this world if you refer to it.

They do wield a lot of power I agree. But they do not have all the power and certainly do not posses all the knowledge.

This is a different story entirely and has to do with "gods" anger at the behaviour of his "son's" coming to earth and raping "the daughters of men" and inso doing defiled themselves. I can suppose that he considered "gods" having intercourse with human women as some sort of bestiality.. But it is nothing to do with the wars of "gods" for control of Earth and its people.
Sure. I was just pointing out that aliens have battles, like us.

They created wars, yes . Wars fought by men on behalf of their respective "gods". I have already said, the OT is a book of war and conquest that is only concerned with the health and prosperity of one blood line.

I don't know too much about the bible

Well you are going to have to have one handy if not read it in its entirety. How are you going to cross check what anyone has to say? That's research., D,

But you have to be careful not to present your theories as fact, as Pastors and Priests do, and all the fkn time.
Of course not, but I have to say there are coincidences with the information I have, especially the one about the 12th planet.

That depends on what you mean by coincidences. If you mean that many of the stories appear to run parallel with many of the OT Bible stories, you'd be correct.

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12.19.2023 04:06PM

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@Stephen

That depends on what you believe Jesus meant when he replied "My kingdom is not of this world".

I guess he's part of this group that requested the power. All the same, he should be inmortal or live long to still be alive, unless he is an alien.

I asked you what the Sign was, not what is believed to occur at the crossing over of the ages/houses.

Well, the sign of Pisces is "the fish", for Aquarium it's "the water carrier", but I can't think of any group with the sign of "the water carrier".

They do wield a lot of power I agree. But they do not have all the power and certainly do not posses all the knowledge.

I don't know, Stephen. It occurs to me it can be the US and England, but the power of these countries is recent. On the other hand, the Vatican/Rome has been two millenia, that's why I think it's the Vatican/Rome.

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@IlDiavolo

I asked you what the Sign was, not what is believed to occur at the crossing over of the ages/houses.
The sign of Pisces is "the fish", for Aquarium it's "the water carrier", but I can't think of any group with the sign of "the water carrier".

Its a man pouring water over the Earth. Given recent times, I'll leave you to realise the significance . But I did mention there are many fields of investigation to your "ancient alien god" theory.

Who has all the power and the knowledge.
On the other hand, the Vatican/Rome has been two millenia, that's why I think it's the Vatican/Rome.

On Earth, Corporations are the new "gods" and the Governments are the new Priests of the new Millennia.

I did mention here on page 1 of this thread, > Whichever rout you take, you should eventually come to realise that what went on in the times of the ancients is still going on to this very day, and in every sense you can think of..#11

,That depends on what you believe Jesus meant when he replied "My kingdom is not of this world".

I guess he's part of this group that requested the power. All the same, he should be inmortal or live long to still be alive, unless he is an alien.

The sign of the Jesus/ Christianity is the fish the sign of Pisces. In Revelation Jesus said " I am the alpha and the omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end".<<< That also should be significant.

Quietening the theists.

The thing that you probably do not realise is that you had won your argument for "ancient alien gods" with probably your fist post. And the bible won your argument for you regardless of what the theist believe. You see if it is as the bible says and the theist believe - that "god" created the Earth thousands of years ago,- then it stands to even their own reasoning and belief that "god" is not of this Earth therefore he is an " ancient alien"... from somewhere else, if the bible is to be believed?

The "ancient alien gods" of bible use the words - generation and generations a lot. In the case of these "ancient gods" what do you think the may have meant ? D.

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12.20.2023 05:58PM

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@Stephen

The thing that you probably do not realise is that you had won your argument for "ancient alien gods" with probably your fist post. And the bible won your argument for you regardless of what the theist believe. You see if it is as the bible says and the theist believe - that "god" created the Earth thousands of years ago,- then it stands to even their own reasoning and belief that "god" is not of this Earth therefore he is an " ancient alien"... from somewhere else, if the bible is to be believed?

Indeed. I've got to recognize that your theory of astrology related to ancient civilizations was a bit odd to me, but as long as I deepened it I ended up realizing it's not an esotheric subject or something of that sorts.

In fact, Carl Jung studied it and there are scholars that still study it, specially for the rich symbolism, so it's a serious thing. I still don’t know how I overlooked it.

The "ancient alien gods" of bible use the words - generation and generations a lot. In the case of these "ancient gods" what do you think the may have meant ? D.

I don't know. I guess the fathers pass down the knowledge they got from the aliens to their sons until the change of power.

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The thing that you probably do not realise is that you had won your argument for "ancient alien gods" with probably your fist post. And the bible won your argument for you regardless of what the theist believe. You see if it is as the bible says and the theist believe - that "god" created the Earth thousands of years ago,- then it stands to even their own reasoning and belief that "god" is not of this Earth therefore he is an " ancient alien"... from somewhere else, if the bible is to be believed?
Indeed. I've got to recognize that your theory of astrology related to ancient civilizations was a bit odd to me, but as long as I deepened it I ended up realizing it's not an esotheric subject or something of that sorts.

Astronomy is the key to the coming and going of the "gods", D. And to our understanding of them. It is related to everything in their daily lives..... and ours.

I still don’t know how I overlooked it.

Well we all have to start somewhere mate. And you cannot be expected to learn everything in a matter of hours, days or weeks. Although information can be so easily accessed these day and is nothing like my time of libraries and other places of research. You have chosen a deep, sometimes complicated subject. And it is a long hard slog at times. But stick with it, D. Because I found it to be the most fascinating and interesting subject. One that will take you into many other fields.

The "ancient alien gods" of bible use the words - generation and generations a lot. In the case of these "ancient gods" what do you think the may have meant ? D.
I don't know. I guess the fathers pass down the knowledge they got from the aliens to their sons until the change of power.

Well again, this involves astronomy. What you have to understand is that the ancient "gods" to begin with, were using their own calendar based on the orbit of their own planet hence the cause of much confusion in their writing when read by our earthly minds.. Another very confusing aspect are the names and titles because they change with time.

Examples: The Anunnaki/Sumerian "god" Marduk became Ra in Egypt also known as "Marduk the invisible". Ningishzidda became Thoth in Egypt that was also known at the other end of the world as Quetzalcoatl.

I mentioned above #97

Jesus said " I am the alpha and the omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end".<<< That also should be significant.

Jesus here is speaking of the celestial "heavenly" House he is claiming to belong to. You may want to keep that in mind.

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12.20.2023 09:04PM

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@Stephen

Jesus said " I am the alpha and the omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end".<<< That also should be significant.

Jesus here is speaking of the celestial "heavenly" House he is claiming to belong to. You may want to keep that in mind.

I've read Jesus is the God's son of Pisces House, and Moses is the one of Aries House. Do you agree with that?

What do you expect to happen in the coming years (or decades)? According to some prophecies that apparently come from the aliens (the new angels), they are showing up with their crafts anytime soon to live with us. There will be a deep crisis in the church. Also, there is a coming discovery related to Egypt and the Christ that nobody understands. And a new civilization model that is going to come up in Argentina.

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@IlDiavolo

Jesus said " I am the alpha and the omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end".<<< That also should be significant.

Jesus here is speaking of the celestial "heavenly" House he is claiming to belong to. You may want to keep that in mind.
I've read Jesus is the God's son of Pisces House, and Moses is the one of Aries House. Do you agree with that?

Yes, I have already said that to you.

First, and as I mentioned before "son of god is a title" only. #15

Jesus was an Earthly king or believed himself to be. This gives him the right to be titled "Son of God". He was a King that believed his time had come to rule because of the signs in the sky told him (and others) so. He must have learned this somewhere.

As for the celestial Houses , Aries the RAM was the SIGN of the biblical Moses. Pisces the FISH was the SIGN of the New Testament Jesus. BUT< the Age of the Fish and the next Age Aquarius the Water Pourer slightly overlap.

What do you expect to happen in the coming years (or decades)? According to some prophecies that apparently come from the aliens (the new angels), they are showing up with their crafts anytime soon to live with us.

Well I have good reason to believe that the Age of the Fish is almost at it's very end and is well past the overlap and that Age of Aquarius is almost on the horizon. it could be now. It depends on what house appears on the horizon in the very near future?

People do not realise that we are maybe still in the Age of the Fish but at the End of Days. What would amaze them more so is that anyone born since the dawn of 1st century AD, no matter what day month or year they were born are all members of the House of Pisces the Fish. i.e. We are all Pisceans.

There will be a deep crisis in the church.

That's already here. Along with many other things predicted in 1st century AD. And I have explained to you how we know and how they were able to predict (prophecy) about it. It is simple. The Past is our Future. It happens at every cross over. I will remind you. At every cross over, the Heavens and so the Earth suffer utter chaos. The heavenly chaos causes so much disaster and turmoil here on earth that we suffer all those things I have spoken of earlier, as does the bible. The people of the Earth have witnessed two of these cross overs. The "gods" witnessed more. They were here AGES before they created the Adama.

The only thing that we have going for us is the capability to cope more efficiently so casualties will be reduced compared to those that witnesses the last cross over.

Also, there is a coming discovery related to Egypt and the Christ that nobody understands. And a new civilization model that is going to come up in Argentina.

Well that is a new one on me, D.

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I hope IlDiavolo takes up his brilliant thread again once he has time to researched further.
Well, there are lot of things to discuss, but most of this information comes from what the ETs communicated to the contactees. I don't know if I have to talk about it because it's really far fetched even to me that I'm really open minded. It's like this ETs are releasing all what they know just in this very moment of shift. Maybe it's a kind of preparation for humanity, or a way to trick us... Lol.

Well if we take that particular feature of your ET god theory, then the contactee aspect of the theory may not be as "far fetched" as you think in the sense that the bible , Old Testamant in particular features multiple contacts with humans.

It's like this ETs are releasing all what they know just in this very moment of shift.

It is, but look back and ask yourself, what were they trading for this knowledge ?

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Well if we take that particular feature of your ET god theory, then the contactee aspect of the theory may not be as "far fetched" as you think in the sense that the bible , Old Testamant in particular features multiple contacts with humans.

Exactly. The biblical prophets were nothing more than contactees. And contrary to what religious people think, we still have prophets today.

It is, but look back and ask yourself, what were they trading for this knowledge ?

Hummm... I don’t know Stephen. The knowledge I talk about refers basically to our nature and the shift the earth and humanity will experience very soon. These new "prophets" seem to be common people and are spreading the message without asking anything in change, unless these ETs promised them something in the future but I don't think so.

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These contactees you mention. Can you give me any references to them, interviews /reports etc? D

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Unfortunately all the info I have is in Spanish or Portuguese. Maybe you can find a copy of those books translated in English. But I have to tell you, the ET phenomenon is connected to the "spiritual realm". You as a european might find it ridiculous but here in latinamerica this is very common so it's not difficult for us to believe in it.

In Spanish, the main info I study comes from the argentian artist Benjamin Solari Parravicini. A great deal of the predictions he left have been very accurate, not so sure about the other predictions to be fullfiled that are mind-blowing. (accmagazine.com.ar/en/arte/benjamin-solari-parravicini-el-fin-de-los-tiempos-principio-de-la-nueva-era/). Also, there are two peruvian ufologists whose information given by the ETs is very telling: Sixto Paz Wells and Ricardo Gonzales Corpancho; I think both have books translated in English.

In Portuguese, I sometimes check on the info that was left by Chico Xavier, but he talks more about spiritism since he was a medium. I also watch a youtube channel of two brazilians that are part of a world network focusing on consciousness: La'El Ofanim and Fabio Erilim. I found in this channel an interesting interview in English with Corey Goode who is apparently part of this network too, I don't know much about him but it can be very helpful for you: www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRaHhuDPD_A

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The idea of aliens is big business. If aliens actually made themselves known to the world, a number of paranormal media outlets would lose 75% of their content.

A big interest part of the alien scam is to keep it's followers believing we're on the verge of government disclosure, or actual arrival/contact. It keeps people tuning in to related radio programs, podcasts, and history/science related television networks that found that biology and Napoleon Bonaparte are not enough.

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The idea of aliens is big business.

As Is religion. Religious literature is the biggest selling of all time, followed by books for children.

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Well, if what you're trying to say is that there are some conmen going around making up stories about aliens, this is totally true, but this fact doesn’t make the alien theory untrue.

I always suggest to be careful and contrast the alien stories with one another. What I can say categorically, though, is that the biblical angels were actual aliens and the prophets were people that made contact and receive the messages from these "angels".

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Sure. Every major bookstore in the U.S. has it's religion section.

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Well, if what you're trying to say is that there are some conmen going around making up stories about aliens, this is totally true, but this fact doesn’t make the alien theory untrue.

I always suggest to be careful and contrast the alien stories with one another. What I can say categorically, though, is that the biblical angels were actual aliens and the prophets were people that made contact and receive the messages from these "angels".

There are definitely similarities between angelic beings in the Bible, and aliens, including spacecraft. Sometimes people equate the creatures mentioned in the book of Ezekiel with alien spacecraft. Ezekiel describes a creature with wheels. The spirit of the creature enters the wheels, which indicates the wheels are in a sense a living part of the creatures. The alien spacecraft that are alleged to be hidden in bases are said to be controlled mentally or telepathically by the aliens, or maybe even biological entities themselves. So it may boil down to which one is copying the other, if that's the case.

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So it may boil down to which one is copying the other, if that's the case.

So for you the abduction cases and ufo sights are all copy from the bible? Well, people are free to believe whatever they want, but in the case of extraterrestial life, there is a growing percentage of people that are taking it for granted becasue the evidence is more and more consistent. Even the NASA gave in to it and accepted to research this phenomenon.

Of course, there will always be those who still think ufos are ballons, drones or camera defects. I guess the only way to convince them is that these aliens show up and shake hands with them.

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So for you the abduction cases and ufo sights are all copy from the bible? Well, people are free to believe whatever they want, but in the case of extraterrestial life, there is a growing percentage of people that are taking it for granted becasue the evidence is more and more consistent. Even the NASA gave in to it and accepted to research this phenomenon.

As far as ufo sightings, I think a number of them are legit, and are in fact something other than natural phenomena. I would say those could be spiritual entities (or demons) copying or creating a deception. But these sightings by apparent reliable sources have been going on for quite some time. I think the internet may give a false impression to some that it's a new phenomena. And I don't dismiss the possibility that some of them might be angelic beings from God.

The abductions may not necessarily be a copy of anything biblical that I can think of. I think any hesitancy to research them was due to the unlikely nature of beings coming here from planets many distances away, and abducting people in their homes, while driving, fishing, etc. And of course there's some speculation they travel here from other dimensions instead of other planets. But that would beg the question, why couldn't that other dimension be a spiritual realm as opposed to another natural realm like ours?

Of course, there will always be those who still think ufos are ballons, drones or camera defects. I guess the only way to convince them is that these aliens show up and shake hands with them.

These ufo phenomenon comparisons to religion are not relegated to Christianity. I think back in 2008 an Australian woman who claims to have spoken to aliens through channeling, which is a practice in new age religion, and spiritism. The woman claimed (and still claims) that aliens told her a mother ship would hover over the sky in plain view over the State of Alabama. She was thoroughly convinced this would happen, and put her reputation on the line with nothing to gain from it. Of course it didn't happen. After awhile she claimed it was deceptive aliens she communicated with, who for some reason, lied to her. So if you don't dismiss this incident with the others you consider legit, this means that there's a deceptive element somewhere in the midst of these alien phenomena. And this is common in many religions (a good and bad force), and the Bible is quite clear on the subject.

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I didn't notice you were religious. Are you?

why couldn't that other dimension be a spiritual realm as opposed to another natural realm like ours?

Well, if you see my comment #105, I acknowledge the existence of this "spiritual realm", which to me will be the revelation of the biggest quest humanity has always had: what consciousness really is. By personal experience, I believe in the consciousness (or spirit if you will) surviving death.

However, this "spiritual realm" has nothing to do with extraterrestrial beings because they belong to this material world as well as we do. Why am I so sure? Well, it's quite difficult to draw conclusions when there is no strong evidence, but I rely on the prophesies of Parravicini whom I mentioned in my comment #105, he said that in the near future these ETs will show up and people will know they were the one deemed as "angels and Yahve". He also said that people will be able to contact their dead relatives and that the atheist will get to know of his error. I trust on him because several of his prophesies were fulfilled.

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I didn't notice you were religious. Are you?

I'm a Christian, yes. But I do respect the opinions of others.

Well, if you see my comment #105, I acknowledge the existence of this "spiritual realm", which to me will be the revelation of the biggest quest humanity has always had: what consciousness really is. By personal experience, I believe in the consciousness (or spirit if you will) surviving death.

My apologies. I have to confess, I didn't read all your posts until now. I've read all of yours, and some from others. Bad habit I know. Thanks for transporting your comment into this post.

However, this "spiritual realm" has nothing to do with extraterrestrial beings because they belong to this material world as well as we do. Why am I so sure? Well, it's quite difficult to draw conclusions when there is no strong evidence, but I rely on the prophesies of Parravicini whom I mentioned in my comment #105, he said that in the near future these ETs will show up and people will know they were the one deemed as "angels and Yahve". He also said that people will be able to contact their dead relatives and that the atheist will get to know of his error. I trust on him because several of his prophesies were fulfilled.

I used to believe ETs existed in the strictest conventional sense. They came down here in their spacecraft from some other planet. Abducted some people to do experiments on them like we do with animals in a lab. Didn't think much about the unlikely mechanics involved.

When I became a believer (Christian), I began to see both natural and supernatural (or out of the ordinary) tie in with the Bible.

I perceive there being 3 major phases in world history. The first is the common idea of there being multiple gods, or a specific god that represents a nation or tribe. Basically a global acceptance of the supernatural. The deception being that there actually is only one God who created everything, not multiple gods. Why would my God (God of the Bible) be the exception? Well, that's another story.

The second phase is the enlightened era where god, demi-gods were removed from mainstream societies. Where god becomes impersonal (deism), or a part of, or nature itself, or we are all one with god and nature, or no god at all. The deception being there's no ultimate creator God (of the Bible).

The third phase is a global acceptance of the supernatural, or something akin to it, like extraterrestrial superior abilities that defy our limited understanding, but believed to originate from one specific source instead of there being differing beliefs involving multiple deities. The deception being the truth originates from the one Creator God who has existed from the beginning.

In all three phases, believers in the true God have been present.

So I think we have similar views, except you believe all answers concerning the physical world, and the supernatural will ultimately be answered by aliens. I believe all answers will ultimately be answered by God.

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Out of curiosity, what is your thoughts on this. Do you think she really had an encounter with aliens?

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So I think we have similar views, except you believe all answers concerning the physical world, and the supernatural will ultimately be answered by aliens. I believe all answers will ultimately be answered by God.

Well, I wouldn't say we have similar views just based on some few comments you and me posted. But yes, I expect these aliens give us the true knowledge about our nature because they created us.

Out of curiosity, what is your thoughts on this. Do you think she really had an encounter with aliens?

From what I know, aliens only have contact with reduced groups, never with multitudes. They know it's very risky because humans are weak. If people get crazy with famous actors and musicians, imagine what they can do for the aliens who were deemed as angels in the past.

So, this woman either was lying or was deceived.

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So, this woman either was lying or was deceived.

I suppose it's possible she was lying, but it would be an awfully strange thing to do.

As far as deceived, do you mean deceived by aliens, or deceived as in deceiving herself into thinking she was getting that message from aliens?

I'm not a ufologist, so you would know about this more than I, but to my understanding not all aliens have our best interest. And some of the abduction testimonies appear to be terrifying.

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Same old theories, that currently all lack definitive proof.

Nonetheless, alien intervention is a worthy theory.

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As far as deceived, do you mean deceived by aliens, or deceived as in deceiving herself into thinking she was getting that message from aliens?

Well, I can't tell because I don't know about the case and because I'm not an expert.

I'm not a ufologist, so you would know about this more than I, but to my understanding not all aliens have our best interest. And some of the abduction testimonies appear to be terrifying.

Well, neither am I, I'm just curious about it.

But from what I can understand, it's all about evolution, so there are aliens morally less evolved than others. I guess those less evolved are involved in these terrifying cases of abduction, it seems that there is a huge interest in knowing about our genetic information, so they make experiments with us because, as I said, it's all about evolution, and evolution is irremediably related to our genetic code.

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There's just enough to keep people going.

It's the same with the less popular Bigfoot, and the lesser popular ghosts and mermaids.

I think ghosts were at the top at one point in time.