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The Bible never says the Earth is flat
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BrotherDThomas thinks the earth is flat because Jesus said so, which is WRONG
Round 1
Con
#2
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Dr. Franklin,
In prayer last night with our Jesus the Christ, He wanted me to make sure the following passages of his inspired word would set the foundation for this debate. Furthermore, your debate title will come back and bite you in your Satanic ass: “BrotherDThomas thinks the earth is flat because Jesus said so, which is WRONG”
The following biblical axioms will be used in this debate:
"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation, for the prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." (2 Peter 1:20-21)
“EVERY word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ (Proverbs 30:5)
“And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD of God.” (Luke 4:4)
Furthermore, to prevent you from making yourself the greater fool in the eyes of Jesus by calling Jesus the Christ a LIAR because of your ungodly debate title, the following will biblically and logically be followed by both debaters!
1. Jesus is Yahweh God incarnate, therefore He is the God of the Old and New Testaments. (1 Timothy 3:16)
2. All explanations will be biblically vouchsafed, WITH ABSOLUTELY NO OPINIONS garnered from both debaters, whereas no debate can truly stand upon subjective OPINIONS, but rather upon the TRUTH, and in this case, THE TRUTH OF THE BIBLE! “A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.” (Proverbs 18:2)
3. There will be no insidious pseudo-christian anachronistic spin doctoring, decoder rings, or crystal balls used in this debate to fallaciously try in vain to deviate from what Jesus’ inspired words literally said in showing that His earth is FLAT!
Dr. Franklin, when showing you to be on the side of SATAN in this debate, and for your information, I will be following this passage that relates to you perfectly: “Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes.” (Proverbs 26:5). You are welcome.
DR. FRANKLIN, LET US BEGIN YOUR DEVIL SPEAK BLOODBATH:
"EVERY WORD OF GOD PROVES TRUE; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar." (Proverbs 30:5-6) Therefore, the following biblical axioms are true!
Barring the fact that other godly religious groups in the Bronze and Iron Age of our Christian beginnings thought the earth was flat as well as Jesus did, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth), we will start with the easy Christian biblical axioms first and foremost.
Therefore, the following first passage of many, states with specificity that Jesus will sit upon the CIRCLE of the earth, whereas a CIRCLE is FLAT, and not a globe or a sphere in any sense of the term whatsoever, period! 2+2=4.
“It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;” (Isaiah 40:22)
As explicitly shown, Isaiah is actually describing the Earth as flat and circular, with a dome-shaped sky covering the flat earth. NOTE: if Isaiah wanted to call it a sphere or a globe, he could have easily done so because earlier he states that God will “roll you up tightly like a ball" and throw you into another country. (Isaiah 22:18). GET IT?
Now we will go to the four corners of the earth bible references below, where Jesus’ inspired word states with specificity that the earth has four corners, whereas you cannot have four corners on a globe, but only upon a flat earth, period! Therefore Jesus posits that the earth is flat! Any pseudo-christian want to call Jesus a LIAR on this biblical axiom, other than Dr. Franklin? Huh?
“After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow on earth or sea or against any tree.” (Revelation 7:1)
“He will raise a signal for the nations and will assemble the banished of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.” (Isaiah 11:12)
“And you, O son of man, thus says the Lord God to the land of Israel: An end! The end has come upon the four corners of the land.” ( Ezekiel 7:2)
“And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.” (Revelation 20:7-8)
The Biblical authors’ worldview, as other godly religions did in this era as shown with the Wiki link above, described a flat Earth with a vault of heaven over it, and where the Sun rose and set by its own movements, not the Earth’s orbit around it.
Thick clouds veil him, so he does not see us as he walks about on the vault of heaven.” (Job 22:14)
“The tree grew large and strong and its top touched the sky; it was visible to the ends of the earth.” (Daniel 4:11) Daniel’s dream implies that the tree was touching the ceiling of the vaulted sky, and could be seen everywhere, implying the earth being flat to be visible to the ends of the earth! COMPRENDE?
“…the earth is turned upside down to scatter its inhabitants.” (Isaiah 24:1 KJV). Only a flat earth can be turned upside down to scatter all of Jesus’ Creation! 2+2=4, oil and water don’t mix, and Dr. Franklin is HELL BOUND upon his demise for blaspheming our Lord Jesus!
"Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory." (Matthew 4:8) The devil can only show Jesus all of the kingdoms of the world if the earth is flat like so many passages before this one so state!
Another Flat Earth Proposition: After our Jesus brutally slaughters the unbelievers in his return (Rev.9:7-10,15-19), He will then remake the heavens and the earth where the Bible speaks of a city called the "New Jerusalem" coming down out of heaven. Jesus will bring down this new city to the earth’s flat surface where TRUE Christians like myself, and not pseudo-christians like Dr. Franklin, will inhabit this new city with our Savior forever, praise!
TAKE NOTE: According to the biblical description, this city is approximately 1,500 miles by 1,500 miles by 1,500 miles. The city lies foursquare, its length is the same as its width; and He measured the city with his rod, fifteen hundred miles; its length and width and height are equal. Therefore, this city is a cube and flat on all sides! (Revelation 21:16). A cube that’s 1,500 miles across land can only be placed upon a flat earth, therefore, for a cube with this extensive length, John implies that the Earth has to be flat so when the new city is placed upon a 1500 mile stretch! GET IT? MAYBE?
Not known to the bible ignorant Dr. Franklin at this time, but Jesus has given me a “plethora” of forthcoming passages and narratives that also show that His Earth was FLAT! Those will be forthcoming at the expense of Dr. Franklin once again.
DR. FRANKLIN, THE BALL IS IN YOUR COURT, BUT HANG ON BECAUSE JESUS AND I ARE JUST WARMING UP!
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Round 2
Pro
#3
ooh, this is gonna be fun. Ignoring all your prelude stuff.
Anyway lets get to the argument
I have grouped my opponents arguments
1.The Bible says Circle of the Earth
2.They say the 4 corners of the Earth
3.They say the vault of Heaven
4.A flat earth can be turned upside down which is what the Bible says
5.New Jerusalem
RL= Rebuttal
Let us start with Rebuttal 1.RL1-Ah yes, circle of the Earth, This was a common term for the people back then and knowingly God would want his people to understand his word easily. Circle has many reasons and was considered a perfect shape back in the day due to it having infinite sides. Now circle means chugh in early Hebrew times. So what does this word mean and how translations have mixed it up. Well it means REVOLVE AND/OR DRAW ROUND.WELL WELL WELL, the Earth revolves around the Sun like a spherical Earth. STRIKE 1-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHiaAAEDYzc
RL2-There is some confusion about this as stated
The word translated “corners,” as in the phrase above, is the Hebrew word, KANAPH. Kanaph is translated in a variety of ways. However, it generally means extremity.
It is translated “borders” in Numbers 15:38. In Ezekiel 7:2 it is translated “four corners” and again in Isaiah 11:12 “four corners.” Job 37:3 and 38:13 as “ends.”There are many ways in which God the Holy Spirit could have said corner. Any of the following Hebrew words could have been used:
- Pinoh is used in reference to the cornerstone.
- Paioh means “a geometric corner”
- Ziovyoh means “right angle” or “corner”
- Krnouth refers to a projecting corner.
- Paamouth - If the Lord wanted to convey the idea of a square, four-cornered Earth, the Hebrew word paamouth could have been used. Paamouth means square.
The word KANAPh refers to Extremities.Translated further and its the farthest point from the center(Jerusalem in this sense).THIS DOESN't Imply a Flat Earth-STRIKE 2-https://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c017.html
Also your Ezekiel quote is talking about the four corners of ISREAL, not the World.
RL3-Unfortunately, this is out of context the End of The Earth was taken out of context. It was a dream and not taken literally.
“his description is repeated almost word-for-word in Daniel 4:20. Both skeptics and the flat-earthers reason that on a spherical earth it would not be possible for a tree to be visible from the entire earth, but such a tree could be visible anywhere on a flat earth. But what is the context of these verses? The fourth chapter of Daniel is the account of Nebuchadnezzar’s second dream. Verse 4 directly quotes the words of Nebuchadnezzar stating that he had a dream. Verses 10–17 quote Nebuchadnezzar describing the content of his dream. Note that this is a dream. With their wild and fantastic elements, dreams hardly are statements about reality, let alone cosmology. t is remarkable that anyone would construe the content of a pagan king’s dream recorded in Scripture as evidence that the Bible teaches that the earth is flat.“-https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/earth/does-bible-teach-earth-flat/
Note this was Nebuchedezzer NOT GOD OR JESUS.STRIKE 3 YOUR OUT!!
The Vault is the atmosphere.
RL4-Nope, a sphere can be turned upside down.Now your just flat out WRONG. The Bible Verse(Isiah 24:1) is actually referring to Scattering its people and emptying it out. ALSO according to other verses it talks about how God is going to DESTROY the Earth, leading me to believe that God will turn it upside down by “destroying it”. Not your stupid way. Also the translation of AMPC describes God twisting the face of the Earth which which doesn’t mean the Earth is flat anyway.
Keep in mind you are using the KJV, and original translations could have gotten mixed up.BONUS STRIKE
RL5-Ok, you don’t know anything. You can stretch out land on Earth by a sphere and calculate a sphere based on map coordinates. Are you that dumb? There is 24,901 miles on A SPHERICAL Earth. A city will take up 1,500 miles of that on A SPHERICAL Earth. That doesn’t prove a flat disc Earth.
Wouldn’t a Flat Earth comprise of a square like saying it has corners or a circle like other verses. NO IT IMPLIES A SPHERE. 5 STRIKES AND YOUR MEGA OUT!!!!!
Con
#4
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Satanic Dr. Franklin,
What is truly sad in your Satanic position, is that you don’t have the sense to feel embarrassed for calling Jesus a LIAR in this debate! Instead of accepting Jesus’ direct and specific “inspired words” within His bible as true (Proverbs 30:5), relative to the earth being FLAT, you grasp for proverbial straws and laughably produce insidious WISHFUL THINKING OPINION QUOTES to call Jesus’ words a LIE!!! These embarrassing quotes are shown below at your expense:
“ Circle has many reasons and was considered a perfect shape back in the day due to it having infinite sides.”
“So what does this word mean and how translations have mixed it up”
“There is some confusion about this as stated”
“ ……. Kanaph is translated in a variety of ways. However, it generally means extremity.”
“The word KANAPh refers to Extremities.Translated further and it's the farthest point from the center(Jerusalem in this sense).”
“ Unfortunately, this is out of context the End of The Earth was taken out of context. It was a dream and not taken literally.”
“…. leading me to believe that God will turn it upside down by “destroying it”. Not your stupid way”
“ … Keep in mind you are using the KJV, and original translations could have gotten mixed up.”
“….. KJV, and original translations could have gotten mixed up …”
Relative to your comical “it could have meant” statements above, which are not biblical absolutes but “maybes,” what part of the following requirement listed in my opening statement didn’t you understand?:
“All explanations will be biblically vouchsafed, WITH ABSOLUTELY NO OPINIONS garnered from both debaters, whereas no debate can truly stand upon subjective OPINIONS, but rather upon the TRUTH, and in this case, THE TRUTH OF THE BIBLE!
Dr. Franklin, you are blatantly guilty of the following precept: “A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.” (Proverbs 18:2)
DO YOU GET WHAT WAS PROPOSED ABOVE, OR DO YOU NEED A 1ST GRADER TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU?
After laughing at your minion of Satan pathetic “it could have meant” quotes above, where your perceived outcomes might be pleasing to imagine for you, but they are not founded upon the bibles literal direct word evidence and the historicity of Christianity’s beginnings in believing a Flat Earth Cosmology, period!
The Christian foundation belief is a FLAT EARTH COSMOLOGY, where we DO NOT have the option to say Jesus, as God incarnate, was wrong in his direct passages showing this to be true (Proverbs 30:5). This is how you continue to call Jesus a LIAR with your wishful thinking opinions that contradict God!!!
HELLO, ANYBODY HOME TODAY DR. FRANKLIN?! OBVIOUSLY NOT!
Dr. Franklin, here is your degrading irony, you are promoting that for thousands of years, millions upon millions upon millions of Christians have read the same LITERAL DIRECT PASSAGES OF JESUS' INSPIRED WORD that I have quoted within their bibles. BUT, because of you being a minion of Satan, you are using your latest Satan Decoder Ring to erroneously rewrite that these millions of Christians were wrong in reading said passages as literally directly shown! This is laughter at its finest, and at your expense upon Judgment Day!
Dr. Franklin, when will we see your new Rewritten Second Testament Bible within the Christian book stores with your ungodly revisions as shown in this debate? Can I get a signed copy before they all spontaneously combust? Thank you.
As if you aren't mortified enough because of your ignorance of Christianity, then with your bible ignorant statement above, and in your way of thinking, the Christian IS NOT to take Joseph’s dream as the proof for Jesus being conceived by the Holy Spirit! This is because, as you stated, it is a dream that Joseph had and therefore is not to be taken literally, along with following your additional intentions, then Jesus being conceived by the Holy Spirit becomes false! Where does your Christian stupidity end?
“But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, 'Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins” (Matthew 1:20). Dr. Franklin, clean your shoes off again, where totally inept Christians like you are so predictable and easy to humiliate in the name of Jesus.
Furthermore, what part of this biblical axiom don't you understand? “It is he who sits ABOVE THE CIRCLE of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;” (Isaiah 40:22). NOTE: If Isaiah wanted to call the earth a sphere or a globe, he could have easily done so because earlier he states that God will “roll you up tightly 'LIKE A BALL, and throw you into another country." (Isaiah 22:18). ISAIAH 40:22 = CIRCLE AND ISAIAH 22:18 = BALL EQUALING A GLOBE. Do you understand the simple logic behind this proposition???!
Dr. Franklin, I am seriously feeling sorry for your blatant ignorance upon our faith, therefore I feel generous to let you start over and we will pretend that you really didn't post your laughable Satanic Wishful Thinking Opinions that went against our Christian historicity, okay? Show your fellow Christians that you are on the side of Jesus and not on the side of Satan anymore! Do you understand this simple premise of my generosity, or do you need a 1st grader to explain it to you again?
FOR YOU TO SAVE FURTHER HUMILITY, START OVER WITH A NEW RESPONSE THAT IS COGENT THIS TIME INSTEAD OF IT BEING COMICALLY AND EMBARRASSINGLY OPINIONATED BY YOU AND OTHERS!
WAITING!
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Round 3
Pro
#5
What is truly sad in your Satanic position, is that you don’t have the sense to feel embarrassed for calling Jesus a LIAR in this debate! Instead of accepting Jesus’ direct and specific “inspired words” within His bible as true (Proverbs 30:5), relative to the earth being FLAT, you grasp for proverbial straws and laughably produce insidious WISHFUL THINKING OPINION QUOTES to call Jesus’ words a LIE!!! These embarrassing quotes are shown below at your expense:
Nope I didn't lie you lied and twisted Jesus words. I have proof.
Relative to your comical “it could have meant” statements above, which are not biblical absolutes but “maybes,” what part of the following requirement listed in my opening statement didn’t you understand?:“All explanations will be biblically vouchsafed, WITH ABSOLUTELY NO OPINIONS garnered from both debaters, whereas no debate can truly stand upon subjective OPINIONS, but rather upon the TRUTH, and in this case, THE TRUTH OF THE BIBLE!Dr. Franklin, you are blatantly guilty of the following precept: “A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.” (Proverbs 18:2)DO YOU GET WHAT WAS PROPOSED ABOVE, OR DO YOU NEED A 1ST GRADER TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU?
No I dont need a first grader to explain common sense. These are not opinions these were facts. These were definitions and different translations,etc. You didn't rebuttal my points.-Strike 1
The Christian foundation belief is a FLAT EARTH COSMOLOGY, where we DO NOT have the option to say Jesus, as God incarnate, was wrong in his direct passages showing this to be true (Proverbs 30:5). This is how you continue to call Jesus a LIAR with your wishful thinking opinions that contradict God!!!
In your picture it stated raqia, Raqia means
Key in this discussion is the firmament. The Hebrew word rāqîa‘ is translated as firmament in the King James Version. It appears a total of 17 times in the Old Testament, with over half of the occurrences (nine times) in chapter 1 of Genesis alone. The word is a noun that derives from the Hebrew root rq‘, meaning to stamp out.4 An example of this action is to stamp or pound a metal into thin sheets. This is a common practice with gold, because gold is so malleable. Gilding is the process of attaching gold leaf to objects, giving the impression that the objects are pure gold. For instance, the Ark of the Covenant was gilded with gold leaf over acacia wood (Exodus 25:10–11). Gold leaf can be pounded or rolled so thin that bright light can be seen through it. From the meaning of this word, we can deduce that the rāqîa‘ is something that has been pounded or stretched out.-https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/earth/does-bible-teach-earth-flat/
Yeah it means stretched out. the rāqîa‘ likely is what we today would call space and much of the earth’s atmosphere. Stretched out to make up heaven. Therefore your cosmology is not reliable or correct. -Strike 2
YOUR ONE OF MANY UPON MANY STEPPING IN POO QUOTES, THIS TIME REGARDING DANIEL4:20: “Unfortunately, this is out of context the End of The Earth was taken out of context. It was a dream and not taken literally.”As if you aren't mortified enough because of your ignorance of Christianity, then with your bible ignorant statement above, and in your way of thinking, the Christian IS NOT to take Joseph’s dream as the proof for Jesus being conceived by the Holy Spirit! This is because, as you stated, it is a dream that Joseph had and therefore is not to be taken literally, along with following your additional intentions, then Jesus being conceived by the Holy Spirit becomes false! Where does your Christian stupidity end?“But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, 'Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins” (Matthew 1:20). Dr. Franklin, clean your shoes off again, where totally inept Christians like you are so predictable and easy to humiliate in the name of Jesus.
no That passage was in Matthew not Daniel. Two completely different stories.-Strike 3
Furthermore, what part of this biblical axiom don't you understand? “It is he who sits ABOVE THE CIRCLE of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;” (Isaiah 40:22). NOTE: If Isaiah wanted to call the earth a sphere or a globe, he could have easily done so because earlier he states that God will “roll you up tightly 'LIKE A BALL, and throw you into another country." (Isaiah 22:18). ISAIAH 40:22 = CIRCLE AND ISAIAH 22:18 = BALL EQUALING A GLOBE. Do you understand the simple logic behind this proposition???!
AGAIN CUGH MEANS CIRCLE IN HEBREW AND MEANS ENCOMPASS OR REVOLVE LIKE A SPHERICAL EARTH.-Strike 4
welp,that was easy
Con
#6
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Dr. Franklin, I want you to burn this very simple syllogism into your feeble Satanic brain when I address your stupidity and ignorance of the Christian faith, understood Satan incarnate?! Therefore, you DO NOT have the authorithy to usurp Jesus’ syllogism below, understood minion of Satan?!
1. THE ENTIRE WORD OF THE BIBLE IS INSPIRED BY JESUS AS GOD INCARNATE:
“But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.” (2 Peter 1:20-21)
2. EVERY WORD OF JESUS IS FLAWLESS, THEREFORE TRUE:
“Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ (Proverbs 30:5)
3. CHRISTIANS ARE TO FOLLOW JESUS’ WORD TO THE LETTER:
“Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ. Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you.” (1 Corinthians 11:1-2)
Dr. Franklin, since it has been shown that your mind is now controlled by Satan, your outright ineptness cannot understand that when reading biblical scripture, it is very important to read it from an Ancient Hebrew perspective and not from your own modern Western viewpoint, GET IT? You continue to take a Satanic and deceiving anachronistic perspective upon the topic at hand, and you do thisto save what face you have left within religious discussions at DebateArt!
Therefore, in following the simple godly syllogism stated above, then it is Jesus as GOD INCARNATE giving the Christian flawless words of truth that the earth IS A CIRCLE , and therefore FLAT, where you are to accept this premise as fact! Do you want to call Jesus A LIAR ONCE AGAIN in this respect?!
BIBLICAL PROOF ONCE AGAIN THAT THE EARTH IS FLAT AS JESUS PROPOSES:
“It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;” (Isaiah 40:22)
“ The carpenter stretches a line; he marks it out with a pencil. He shapes it with planes and marks it with a compass. He shapes it into the figure of a man, with the beauty of a man, to dwell in a house.” (Isaiah 44:13)
"to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven.” (Job 22:14)
“ The carpenter stretches a line; he marks it out with a pencil. He shapes it with planes and marks it with a compass. He shapes it into the figure of a man, with the beauty of a man, to dwell in a house.” (Isaiah 44:13)
"to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven.” (Job 22:14)
If you want to play “word games” of the Hebrew language in biblical times, then the Hebrew word CHUWG describes a CIRCLE, and what was used in the passages above. Therefore, deducing it to its irreducable primary, the Hebrew word CHUWG refers to the earth, compass, or the vault of heaven as a CIRCLE! 2+2=4!
Strong's #2329: chuwg (pronounced khoog)
from 2328; a circle:--circle, circuit, compass.
Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew Lexicon:
chûg
1) circle, circuit, compass
2) (BDB) vault (of the heavens)
Part of Speech: noun masculine
Relation: from H2328
Usage:
This word is used 3 times:
Job 22:14: "to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven."
Proverbs 8:27: "I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:"
Isaiah 40:22: "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants that stretcheth out the heavens”
Proverbs 8:27: "I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:"
Isaiah 40:22: "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants that stretcheth out the heavens”
Satanic Dr. Franklin, I have never seen such a wannabe Christian like you that blatantly calls Jesus A LIAR as shown throughout this debate, where the consequences of this Satanic act will send you to the sulfur lakes of HELL upon your ungodly demise! Praise Jesus' revenge! (Revelation 21:8)
ADDRESSING YOUR CONTINUING CHRISTIAN BIBLE IGNORANCE AND STUPIDITY:
YOUR EVER SO WEAK STATEMENT RUNNING AWAY FROM WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE: “no That passage was in Matthew not Daniel. Two completely different stories.”
OMG, with you, I am dealing with a child mentality! It matters NOT if the two dreams were completely different stories because the outcome is the same! They were BOTH DREAMS where you stated before regarding Daniel: “It was a dream and not taken literally!” Therefore, at your embarrassment AGAIN, Joseph had a DREAM of Jesus being conceived by the Lord in Matthew 1:20, then when following your conclusion that a dream is not to be taken literally, then you are on record that Jesus’ concievement from the Lord does not count, therefore Jesus was not conceived by our Lord and it becomes FALSE!!! DO YOU UNDESTAND THIS LOGICAL CONCLUSION? DO WE NEED TO FIND A 1ST GRADER AGAIN TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU?!
Dr. Franklin, your main problem in dealing with others is the fact that you think we are all as dumbfounded as you are pertaining to logical and reasononble conclusions, where we are not, therefore we easily make you the continuous fool!
YOUR LAUGHABLE QUOTE REGARDING THE HEBREW WORD “RAQIA”: “Yeah it means stretched out. the rāqîa‘ likely is what we today would call space and much of the earth’s atmosphere. Stretched out to make up heaven. Therefore your cosmology is not reliable or correct.”
OMG, your ignorance has no bounds! If the earth were spherical like you Satanically propose against Jesus’ word within the scriptures, then one would use a verb other than "spread out" to describe its firmament, like "all balled up, gathered up, gathered together in a ball," anything but the term “spread out!” One might say they "spread out" batter to make pancakes but no one would ever say they "spread out" hamburger to make meatballs. GET IT? Huh? The earth in the Bible was "spread out" BECAUSE IT WAS FLAT as biblically shown ad infintum, period!
Dr. Franklin, you are obviously not aware of the ancient Hebrew Planatary System explicitly shown within the bible, where “OUTER SPACE” is not a part of it in any way! This is because the cosmology at the time was that the earth is in a geocentric form. The planets, moon, and sun, all stayed within the VAULT TOWARDS THE CEILING OF THE FIRMAMENT and rotated around the EDGE of the earth, as the link below shows!
A heads up to prevent you from further embarrassment where our biblical representation of the earth being FLAT, along with the earth being the CENTER of our planatary system, and in a GEOCENTRIC form, is as follows:
YOUR COMICAL AND REVEALING QUOTE: “welp,that was easy”
Dr. Franklin, yes it was easy for you once again to show DebateArt that you were easily made the continued bible ignorant fool once again because of your blatant Satanic misconceptions towards Jesus’ actual words regarding the topic at hand! Priceless.
DR. FRANKLIN, AWAITING YOUR NEXT ATTEMPT AT GRASPING FOR MORE STRAWS AS YOU SHOW THAT JESUS IS A LIAR RELATIVE TO THE ACTUAL HISTORICITY OF OUR ANCIENT HEBREW FLAT EARTH AND OUR BIBLES COSMOLOGY BEGINNINGS. YOU DO PROVIDE A LOT OF LAUGHTER, AT YOUR EXPENSE, SO THANK YOU!
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Round 4
Pro
#7
"1. THE ENTIRE WORD OF THE BIBLE IS INSPIRED BY JESUS AS GOD INCARNATE:“But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.” (2 Peter 1:20-21)"
Response-Yes I understand that, the scripture is sacred and inspired by God but stop taking things out of context. How does this apply to your argument?
"2. EVERY WORD OF JESUS IS FLAWLESS, THEREFORE TRUE:“Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ (Proverbs 30:5)"Response-Yes I now that however that does not fit your argument"3. CHRISTIANS ARE TO FOLLOW JESUS’ WORD TO THE LETTER:
“Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ. Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you.” (1 Corinthians 11:1-2)"
Response:Again I know but how does that fit in your argument?
Dr. Franklin, since it has been shown that your mind is now controlled by Satan, your outright ineptness cannot understand that when reading biblical scripture, it is very important to read it from an Ancient Hebrew perspective and not from your own modern Western viewpoint, GET IT? You continue to take a Satanic and deceiving anachronistic perspective upon the topic at hand, and you do thisto save what face you have left within religious discussions at DebateArt!
Poor conduct and doesnt fit argument
Therefore, in following the simple godly syllogism stated above, then it is Jesus as GOD INCARNATE giving the Christian flawless words of truth that the earth IS A CIRCLE , and therefore FLAT, where you are to accept this premise as fact! Do you want to call Jesus A LIAR ONCE AGAIN in this respect?!
No the word circle in Hebrew, cugh means a lot of different things like encompass or revolve nothing as a flat earth. Extend argument about this point
“It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;” (Isaiah 40:22)
again extend argument about this point which Con did not address
“ The carpenter stretches a line; he marks it out with a pencil. He shapes it with planes and marks it with a compass. He shapes it into the figure of a man, with the beauty of a man, to dwell in a house.” (Isaiah 44:13)
doesn't prove the Earth is flat. Con has failed to recognize where this fits in his argument
If you want to play “word games” of the Hebrew language in biblical times, then the Hebrew word CHUWG describes a CIRCLE, and what was used in the passages above. Therefore, deducing it to its irreducable primary, the Hebrew word CHUWG refers to the earth, compass, or the vault of heaven as a CIRCLE! 2+2=4!
Wrong it means ENCOMPASS or surround or revolve, qualities of a spherical Earth.-Poor S&P on the word irreducible.-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHiaAAEDYzc. Also in relation to what you said there is a circle in the water(Job 26:10) which implies that the Earth is many circles which it is.
OMG, with you, I am dealing with a child mentality! It matters NOT if the two dreams were completely different stories because the outcome is the same! They were BOTH DREAMS where you stated before regarding Daniel: “It was a dream and not taken literally!” Therefore, at your embarrassment AGAIN, Joseph had a DREAM of Jesus being conceived by the Lord in Matthew 1:20, then when following your conclusion that a dream is not to be taken literally, then you are on record that Jesus’ concievement from the Lord does not count, therefore Jesus was not conceived by our Lord and it becomes FALSE!!! DO YOU UNDESTAND THIS LOGICAL CONCLUSION? DO WE NEED TO FIND A 1ST GRADER AGAIN TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU?!
Ok i'm done: MATTHEW DESCRIBES JESUS AND THE BIBLE TEACHINGS WHILE DANIEL DESCRIBES NEBUCHADEZZERS DREAM. TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORIES. NEBUCHEDAZZER IS NOT WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES.DO YOU NEED A BABY TO DESCRIBE THIS TO YOU!! ALSO UNLESS OMG IS OH MY GOSH YOU ARE BREAKING THE FIRST COMMANDMENT SATANIC BROTHERDTHOMAS.
OMG, your ignorance has no bounds! If the earth were spherical like you Satanically propose against Jesus’ word within the scriptures, then one would use a verb other than "spread out" to describe its firmament, like "all balled up, gathered up, gathered together in a ball," anything but the term “spread out!” One might say they "spread out" batter to make pancakes but no one would ever say they "spread out" hamburger to make meatballs. GET IT? Huh? The earth in the Bible was "spread out" BECAUSE IT WAS FLAT as biblically shown ad infintum, period!
SATANIC BROTHERDTHOMAS,YOU LACK BASIC SCIENCE.A SPHERICAL EARTH CAN SPREAD OUT TOO.WHY WOULD THEY SAY GATHERED UP. ALSO ANCIENT HEBREW COSMOLOGY ISN'T THE SAME AS WHAT THE SACRED BIBLE TEACHES BECAUSE THEY HAVE GOTTEN TRANSLATIONS WRONG. THE FACT IS THAT THE UNDERWORLD IS THE CORE OF THE EARTH.SCIENCE POVES THAT.
Dr. Franklin, you are obviously not aware of the ancient Hebrew Planatary System explicitly shown within the bible, where “OUTER SPACE” is not a part of it in any way! This is because the cosmology at the time was that the earth is in a geocentric form. The planets, moon, and sun, all stayed within the VAULT TOWARDS THE CEILING OF THE FIRMAMENT and rotated around the EDGE of the earth, as the link below shows!
YOUR SOURCE TALKED ABOUT THE COSMOLOGY OF ANCIENT HEBREWS NOT THE GREAT GOD. HEBREWS GET EVERYTHING MESSED UP AND AT THE TIME HAD CONFLICT OVER WHAT GOD WAS CORRECT. SO YOU CANT TRUST THOSE HEBREWS WHO DISOBEYED CAN YOU. NOT WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES.
Conclusion: I had fun but my opponent doesn't understand context,terminology or the difference between translations and hebrews with the true Christians at the time.Good debate
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DR. FRANKLIN, THE DEBATEART MINION OF SATAN,
In being a TRUE Christian, I take Jesus' modus operandi of getting mad in verbally abusing wannabe Christians like you, with their myriad of unbiblical interpretations of what Jesus DIRECTLY stated within the scriptures. Where what He said ONCE, He didn't mean for his creation to take in many different and contradicting ways by using insipid apologetics, wishful thinking, unsupported opinions, or Satanic hermeneutics like you have embarrassingly done within this debate, period!
Therefore, I take the equal stance of Jesus getting mad as Hell at the money changers in the Temple, to wit: “When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. So He made a whip out of cords and drove all from the Temple Courts, both sheep and cattle:“ He scattered the coins of the Money Changers and overturned their tables, to those who sold doves he said, “GET THESE OUT OF HERE! STOP TURNING MY FATHERS HOUSE INTO A MARKET!” His disciples remembered that it is written: “Zeal for your house will consume me.” (John 2: 13-17)
This biblical axiom above explicitly shows that Jesus has had enough with presumed Christians making a mockery of his written word, and within the same vein as Jesus’ actions shown within the Temple, I have had enough as well! Although, I will not make a whip of cords like our Jesus did in the removal of the Money Changers by whipping them! Jesus is a man's man, praise!
YOUR RESPONSE REGARDING 2 PETER 1:20-21: "Yes I understand that, the scripture is sacred and inspired by God but stop taking things out of context. How does this apply to your argument?”
First thing, your lack of intellect does not allow you to understand that this verse is NOT taking things out of total context. but only ads to it by stating with specificity that EVERY WORD in the bible is “inspired” by Jesus as Yahweh god incarnate, then when you obfuscate ANY WORD of Jesus in its entirety within the Bible, YOU ARE CALLING HIM A LIAR, UNDERSTOOD?!
YOUR RESPONSE REGARDING 1 CORINTHIANS 11:1-2: “Again I know but how does that fit in your argument?”
Again, your lack of rational thinking abilities and being vacant in mind, does not allow you to understand that Jesus said to remember Him and His “traditions” that he handed down to his followers. Wherein, JESUS SAYS THE EARTH IS A FLAT CIRCLE IN ISAIAH 40:20! 2+2=4. GET IT?
MY QUOTE: Dr. “Franklin, since it has been shown that your mind is now controlled by Satan, your outright ineptness cannot understand that when reading biblical scripture, it is very important to read it from an Ancient Hebrew perspective and not from your own modern Western viewpoint, GET IT? You continue to take a Satanic and deceiving anachronistic perspective upon the topic at hand, and you do this to save what face you have left within religious discussions at DebateArt!”
YOUR IGNORANT QUOTE TO MY STATEMENT ABOVE: “Poor conduct and doesnt fit argument"
AGAIN, your lack of logical conclusions, low IQ, and your total ineptness of Christianity, along with your overall of not understanding that you are a blatant anachronistic fool, you take todays knowledge and try to place it back in a time when it was not believed, like a spherical earth, instead of a flat earth as the bible so states. GET IT? Huh?
REGARDING YOUR POOR CONDUCT INFERENCE, let me show you “poor conduct,” regarding your posts of late, where I will only show a FEW OF MANY to save you from further embarrassment here on DebateArt. You can thank me later.
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Satanic BrotherDThomas,
what the fuck is the matter with you. She was just outlying what she will do for the debate.
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lol, I am debating you and destroying you. Your arguments are horrible
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Fucking retard, he was removing a vote
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Satanic BrotherDThomas,
what the fuck is the matter with you. She was just outlying what she will do for the debate.
ROUND 3
YOUR BEYOND BELIEF IGNORANT QUOTE RELATIVE TO JESUS’ FLAT EARTH: “No the word circle in Hebrew, cugh means a lot of different things like encompass or revolve nothing as a flat earth.”
I am sorry, but I have to embarrass you once AGAIN relative to Isaiah 40:20, okay? The following is Strongs Concordance, which is the number one translator of Hebrew and Greek words and phrases within the bible. I used a different Translator before, but with the same results.
Verse in question:
“It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;” (Isaiah 40:22)
Strongs Concordance H2329 relative to “Upon the Circle” means: Circle, circuit, compass. all of these meanings are relative to A FLAT CIRCLE EARTH AND THE FIRMAMENT ABOVE AS I HAD SHOWN YOU IN THE LINK IN QUESTION!!! ( Circle means ROUND AND FLAT, circuit means ROUND, a compass can only draw a FLAT ROUND CIRCLE)
Your ever so wanting and far reaching word to allegedly mean "circle," was: “cugh” NEVER even made it within the scriptures as embarrassingly shown in the link below!
The video that you provided did not prove the word "cugh" you used being relative to Isiah 40:20 IN AN ABSOLUTE SENSE in any way whatsoever, where my word "chuwg' most certainly did within context as shown, and as used by Strongs Accordance in Isaiah 40:20 PROVING MY POINT!
Dr. Franklin, it is time for you to wipe the proverbial egg from your face ONCE AGAIN as you Satanically try in vain to rewrite Jesus’ words! Where in doing so, you are calling Jesus a continued LIAR, which equals BLASPHEME!
YOUR QUOTE RELATIVE TO YOU REMOVING ONE FOOT TO INSERT THE OTHER AGAIN: “MATTHEW DESCRIBES JESUS AND THE BIBLE TEACHINGS WHILE DANIEL DESCRIBES NEBUCHADEZZERS DREAM. TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORIES. NEBUCHEDAZZER IS NOT WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES.DO YOU NEED A BABY TO DESCRIBE THIS TO YOU!! ALSO UNLESS OMG IS OH MY GOSH YOU ARE BREAKING THE FIRST COMMANDMENT SATANIC BROTHERDTHOMAS.”
ROUND 2
YOUR QUOTES AND AGREED UPON REFERENCES RELATIVE TO NEBUCHADEZZERS DREAM IN DANIEL 4:20 ARE THE FOLLOWING:
“-Unfortunately, this is out of context the End of The Earth was taken out of context. It was a dream and not taken literally.”
“Note that this is a dream. With their wild and fantastic elements, dreams hardly are statements about reality, let alone cosmology. it is remarkable that anyone would construe the content of a pagan king’s dream recorded in Scripture as evidence that the Bible teaches that the earth is flat.“
As specifically shown above, you state that dreams are not to be taken literally, AND by using a reference, they are also hardly a statement about reality. STOP!
THEN UNDER YOUR SAME CONTEXTUAL PREMISES ABOVE, "THEN YOU GO ON RECORD" STATING THAT JOSEPH’S DREAM IN MATTHEW 1:20 OF OUR LORD TELLING HIM THAT MARY WILL BE CELESTIALLY IMPREGNATED BY OUR JESUS (LORD), AND BECAUSE THIS IS A DREAM BY JOSEPH, THEN THIS TOO IS HARDLY A STATEMENT OF REALITY, AND IN TURN, IT IS REMARKABLE THAT ANYONE WOULD CONSTRUE THE CONTENT AS EVIDENCE OF MARY’S PREGNANCY OF JESUS! Additionally, it matters NOT that they are two different stories, because they are BOTH DREAMS as referenced contextually by your own words, and now proving that they are the same outcomes! GET IT?! LOGIC 101 CONTINUES TO EVADE YOU!
Dr. Franklin, tell me if you have heard this applicable adage before, “Whats good for the goose, is good for the gander.” How utterly embarrassing for you once again in front of the members of DebateArt! Your biblical ignorance is without question.
ROUND 4
Then if the above FACTS aren’t embarrassing enough for our Satan Incarnate, Dr. Franklin, then he proposes that the ancient Hebrews and the bible WAS WRONG, as shown with my link in having a geocentric system and a FLAT EARTH, and without ANY CITATIONS WHATSOEVER to the contrary other than his fallacious opinions!
DR FRANKLIN'S EMBARRASSING QUOTE: YOUR SOURCE TALKED ABOUT THE COSMOLOGY OF ANCIENT HEBREWS NOT THE GREAT GOD. HEBREWS GET EVERYTHING MESSED UP AND AT THE TIME HAD CONFLICT OVER WHAT GOD WAS CORRECT. SO YOU CANT TRUST THOSE HEBREWS WHO DISOBEYED CAN YOU. NOT WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES.
The IRONY is the fact that the Ptolemaic Geocentric System, which equals the bibles cosmology, where the earth is at the center of the universe, with the sun, moon, planets, and stars revolving about it in circular orbits, came out with the SAME BIBLE GEOCENTRIC SYSTEM in 150AD, but without our God Jesus, and was considered the truth up until 1600AD with the Copernican heliocentrism model!!! GET IT?
Then to add insult to injury to Dr. Franklins Satanic lying cosmology, Jesus wasn’t considered to be the TRUE Godly Triune until the 1st Council of Nicea in 325AD, where at this time, the bible, as shown by me, was still a FLAT EARTH and A GEOCENTRIC COSMOLOGY with the Ptolemaic System! Can Dr. Franklin do the simple math upon this biblical proposition? NOT!
Dr. Franklin, wipe the egg from your face AGAIN! How sad.
DR. FRANKLINS LAST SAD QUOTE: “Good debate.”
Yes, it was a good debate for me, but hardly a good one for the minion of Satan, Dr. Franklin, because of him BLATANTLY CALLING JESUS A LIAR as shown throughout the debate for not agreeing with Him relative to his direct words that stated a FLAT EARTH and a GEOCENTRIC COSMOLOGY WITHIN THE SCRIPTURES!
THE CONCLUSION, AT THE EXPENSE OF THE MINION OF SATAN, DR. FRANKLIN, IS AS FOLLOWS:
1. Dr. Franklin, as explicitly shown throughout his vain attempts of debating the topic at hand, was insidiously anachronistic to bring the known Satanic science of today with the earth being spherical, back into our Christian primitive Bronze and Iron Age where it does not belong, nor fit in its historicity in any way whatsoever!
2. Dr. Franklin didn’t understand, nor follow, that he WAS NOT to bring forth his own unsubstantiated biased opinions, that failed miserably to the point of comedy anyway, but to use absolute truthful historicity and biblical facts, of which he tried in vain to do, but they fell flat on their face because they were without citations.
3. ROUND 2, Dr. Franklin used these comical following statements as alleged facts which was his own unadulterated opinions and/or hearsay, WHICH WERE NOT SUPPORTED BY ABSOLUTE REFERENCE CITATIONS, TO WIT:
“There is some confusion about this as stated ...”
“… translated in a variety of ways.”
“However, it generally means extremity …,"
“ Circle has many reasons …”
“… and how translations have mixed it up”
“ … was taken out of context”
“ … leading me to believe …”
“ .. original translations could have gotten mixed up”
DebateArt members, have you quit laughing at Dr. Franklins statements above? Now, what kind of debater would use weak, laughable, and anemic propositions like the aforementioned above, where “it could have meant,” or “maybe it was this", or "leading me to believe,” as the foundation of a serious debate? YES, the assumed debater Dr. Franklin, the minion of Satan of DebateArt! We laugh at his expense.
TRUE CHRISTIANS, AS EXPLICITLY SHOWN WITHIN OUR BIBLE, AND WITH THE HISTORICITY OF OUR TRUE CHRISTIANITY, WE HAVE TO BELIEVE IN A FLAT EARTH SURROUNDED BY A GEOCENTRIC PLANETARY SYSTEM BECAUSE WHO ARE WE TO STATE THAT JESUS' INSPIRED WORDS WITHIN HIS SCRIPTURES ARE WRONG?! ANYBODY WANT TO CALL JESUS A LIAR LIKE DR. FRANKLIN HAS DONE? ANYBODY?
CASE CLOSED.
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Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
Conduct
Con "sentenced" Pro to hell many times, called him satanic, and had many other insults. It was extremely distracting. It literally made it so I couldn't follow the arguments so I'm not even voting based on that.
"Furthermore, your debate title will come back and bite you in your Satanic ass"
" There will be no insidious pseudo-christian anachronistic spin doctoring, decoder rings, or crystal balls used in this debate to fallaciously try in vain to deviate from what"'
"Not known to the bible ignorant Dr. Franklin at this time"
Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
So, the arguments are technical arguments based primarily on interpretation and translations of particular words.
The examples cited are the four corners of the globe, some basic references to turning the world upside down, a tree being visible, and the earth being a circle.
The four corners point is explained by pro through translation issues - and dropped by con who mostly just dismissed the point with a generic argument about speculation.
Some are dealt with by the example being a dream.
The final was the definition of circle potentially being a sphere. While con made a tentative attempt to argue this had a different translations pros case was pretty evidence that it could mean encompass.
Con did not present any clear and unambiguous example where the earth was flat - and largely drops pros entire case.
The rest of cons case was primarily ranting, that didn’t appear particular connected to the resolution or pros argument.
Arguments to con.
Conduct.
“Furthermore, your debate title will come back and bite you in your Satanic ass”
“DR. FRANKLIN, LET US BEGIN YOUR DEVIL SPEAK BLOODBATH:”
“Not known to the bible ignorant Dr. Franklin at this time”
“GET IT? MAYBE?”
“DO YOU NEED A 1ST GRADER TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU?
“HELLO, ANYBODY HOME TODAY DR. FRANKLIN?! OBVIOUSLY NOT!”
Cons language and disrespect is frequent, repeated and odious throughout : the above was only a couple of examples from only the first two rounds.
Pro gets a bit tetchy at points which is understandable given the onslaught of insults and belittling - but never comes close to matching cons level of toxicity and disrespect.
As a result, cons clearly deserves the conduct penalty. Conduct to pro.
Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
Conduct
Con repeatedly insulted Pro and called him Satanic. Here are a few examples:
Satanic Dr. Franklin, What is truly sad in your Satanic position...
After laughing at your minion of Satan pathetic
BUT, because of you being a minion of Satan, you are using your latest Satan Decoder Ring to erroneously rewrite that these millions of Christians were wrong in reading said passages as literally directly shown! This is laughter at its finest, and at your expense upon Judgment Day!
Dr. Franklin, I want you to burn this very simple syllogism into your feeble Satanic brain when I address your stupidity and ignorance of the Christian faith, understood Satan incarnate?!
This conduct was excessive, frequent, and repeatedly distracted me from the arguments that con was presenting. In contrast, Pro held himself up very well and overall had better conduct.
Suggestion for both of you: Please write your arguments in a word document and use better formatting. Wall of text and walls of quotes are difficult to read. I had a very difficult time in following your arguments. In the future, I recommend doing something like this:
C1: The Bible says....
C2: It also says...
Conclusion
You don't need to fully quote each other to respond to the arguments. Ragnar made a nice guide that I recommend you read: http://tiny.cc/DebateArt
That being said, I have to leave arguments as a tie. There were too many walls of text, too many unneeded quoting, too many unneeded bold and underlined text that made the arguments impossible to follow. Thus arguments are tied.
I'm willing to friend almost anybody on DART. It's why I have so many. Although I understand Brother D's logic a bit.
YOU DARE ME AND BROTHERD's FRIENDSHIP???
Look at this nonsense. You call this guy a christian and are friends with him? With friends like this, who needs enemies? Yall just trolls and supporting trolls.
No,slaughtering in the debating
He made death threats? That can get him in trouble.
But he is HILARIOUS
"So I'm going to slaughter you now since you didn't listen to me, Maybe you'll listen to someone else. If you don't take in these videos, That's not my problem. Btw, These professionals know one helluva lot more than you."
"Seasoned beating with my egg-pressed rectal itch and thermometer reading 136 degrees fahrenheit on the ballroom floor."
"chitty chitty bong bong your out"
https://www.debate.org/debates/Is-atheism-a-religion/7/
https://www.debate.org/debates/The-god-of-the-bible-does-not-exist/5/
I can see where backwarsden comes from, but his conduct is awful.
Hey..look at this guy--https://www.debate.org/backwardseden/
backwardseden is weird,so it makes sense, he wont switch
How would you know that? Maybe WOA vs BDT (Wisdom of Ags vs Brother D Thomas).
Done!
https://www.debate.org/debates/Things-that-Donald-toilet-dust-Trump-the-worst-president-of-all-time-and-god-have-in-common/1/
Backwardseden unfortunately wont switch
Oh yeah, that would be AWESOME, I would pay for that
Lets invite backwarsden from DDO so he debates Brother D Thomas. You know Mosc?
judge what is right not wrong were your verse BrotherDtard,
"DR. FRANKLIN, ITS TIME FOR YOU TO GO INTO HIDING AND WIPE THE EGG FROM YOUR FACE ONCE AGAIN! JESUS IS NOT SMILING IN YOUR BEHALF!"
Its the new backwardseden, and I love it
Yup,he might be Iconoclast
Dr.Franklin
I think we both know he's a troll, and his arguments make no sense.
BrotherDThomas
Chill with the Christ stuff, according to your own religion "Don't use his name in vain" or something. But chill...
HOW BOIIIII,EXPLAIN THYSELVES
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Shhhhhhhhhhhh ...... go lick your wounds somewhere else, you are DONE!
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Why didn't you respond to my love your enemies
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Dr. Franklin,
YOUR REVEALING AND EMBARRASSING QUOTE: "To be honest, I dont care to read your long rants"
Conversely, to be honest, you can't read them and act upon them and remain intelligent looking in the aftermath. The said posts were regarding Christianity and the ramifications that TRUE Christians have to accept. Therefore, you were easily beaten in the comments section of this debate, therefore, run along and try to accept your "RUNAWAY" modus operandi in front of the members of DebateArt.
How utterly embarrassing for you once again.
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To be honest, I dont care to read your long rants
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This is so sad for Dr. Franklin, once again he RUNS AWAY from his ignorance and stupidity regarding Christianity relating to my posts #51, #49, #47, and #45, with yet another non sequitur #54 post of his as he tries in vain to grasp for the straws that are not even there anymore.
The "doc" have been easily defeated as explicitly shown in this comments section, and now has to resort to non sequiturs in his feeble attempt to regain a modicum of respect here on DebateArt. It is truly sad to watch.
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EVIL SATANIC BROTHERDTHOMAS IS UNCHRISTIANLIKE
INSULTING IS AGAINST JESUS'S LAW
Matthew 5
[43] Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
[44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
[45] That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
[46] For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
[47] And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
JESUS SAYS TO LOVE YOUR ENEMIES BUT BROTHERDTMOMAS DOESN't SATANIC
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Dr. Franklin,
YOUR NON SEQUITUR QUOTE: " your welcome"
Barring the FACT once again of your 1st grade reading comprehension with the word "your" instead of using "you're," you have shown DebateArt that you have thrown in the towel of DEFEAT because you cannot answer my posts of #51, #49, #47, and #45 !!!!
Good boy, even though it is embarrassing for you to GIVE UP on said posts of mine above, at least now you will try and accept in how dumbfounded you truly are regarding our Christian faith! Jesus is embarrassed for you as He shakes his head in disgust. :(
Thank you Dr. Franklin for at least "trying" to show us your knowledge upon our faith, where in discussion as shown, YOU HAVE NONE! LOL!
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your welcome
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Dr. Franklin,
YOUR REVEALING #46 BIBLE QUOTE ON JUDGING: “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you….”
First off, as your initial bible quote so states, I CAN JUDGE YOU, AND YOU CAN JUDGE ME BACK! Do you understand this simple biblical conclusion, or do I have to extend my bible class with you again? Huh?
YOUR TOTALLY EMBARRASSING QUOTE: “judging good deads is good,not judging in general”
SECOND TIME today, you meant “Deeds” and NOT “Deads,” please try and understand the english language when on DebateArt!
Then you dig your hole deeper by stating; “Judging in general isn’t good?” In your vain attempt to dig yourself out of the hole you dug again, you can actually state such a dumbfounded statement? Are you kidding us, or are you really this inept?
!!!! NEWS ALERT. !!!!
Dr. Franklin purports that ALL JUDGING IN GENERAL is not good anymore, therefore he proffers that ALL, and I repeat, ALL court proceedings in the USA should stop Judging in a jury setting post haste! Equally ignorant and dumbfounded friends of Dr. Franklin are to go out and shout this from the mountain tops of what Dr. Franklin has proposed, NO JUDGING IN GENERAL BECAUSE IT IS NOT GOOD!
Dr. Franklin, can you give me a break from you continually grasping for straws regarding our faith, and YOUR COMPLETE IGNORANCE UPON SIMPLE PROPOSITIONS, either from the bible, or in real life? Okay? Thank you.
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FINALLY,YOU USED THE RECEIVER BAR. judging good deads is good,not judging in general
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Dr. Franklin,
YOUR LAUGHABLE QUOTE: "Those verses talk about praising good deads."
First off, I am sure you meant "deeds" instead of "deads." Therefore, it matters not what the topic of judging is that Jesus stated, because it deduces to JUDGING!!! GET IT? HUH? MAYBE? YES? Therefore you weak refutation to Judging falls flat on its face! Now, like I said before, wipe the egg from your face AGAIN and try to regroup in front of the members of DebateArt, that is, if you can.
You continue to parade around DebateArt as if you actually know our Christian bible, when YOU DO NOT! 2+2=4!
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Those verses talk about praising good deads. AND PLEASE USE THE RECEIVER BAR.
Dr. Franklin,
I do not understand in why you continue to show DebateArt your complete biblical ignorance!!!!!
Relative to your "judging" scenario where you state that we cannot judge, Jesus says that we can judge, you blatant fool! YOU CONTINUE TO SHOW EVERYONE THAT YOU DO NOT READ OUR CHRISTIAN BIBLE WHICH EQUALS BLASPHEME!
Jesus has told mankind to judge righteous judgment as he told a man "Thou hast rightly judged" (Luke 7:43), and the most important judging verse is when Jesus told others; "Why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?" (Luke 12:57). Remember the Lord Jesus Christ commanded, "Judge righteous judgment" (John 7:24).
THINK; tell the people on court juries throughout the land not to judge others, GET IT?! Jesus' inspired words say WE CAN JUDGE, therefore, do you want to call Jesus a LIAR in this respect? NO? I didn’t think so!
DR. FRANKLIN, ITS TIME FOR YOU TO GO INTO HIDING AND WIPE THE EGG FROM YOUR FACE ONCE AGAIN! JESUS IS NOT SMILING IN YOUR BEHALF!
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Well you cant call people names, thats against Jesus
1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
See Matthew 7 says not to judge, so stop it if I disagree with you
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Dr. Franklin,
Doc, as you are aware, I really don't care if points are taken off because of calling you what you are, and that is an inept fake Christian, because Jesus acted in the same manner of calling a spade a spade, even if He were at a Black Lives Matter rally today!
Jesus provided me with the way TRUE Christians like myself are to handle fake Christians like you, as explicitly shown in a few of the many passages attributed to Him upon this topic, and as shown below, praise!
“When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. SO HE MADE A WHIP OUT OF CORDS, AND DROVE ALL FROM THE TEMPLE COURTS both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. To those who sold doves he said, “GET THESE OUT OF HERE! STOP TURNING MY FATHERS HOUSE INTO A MARKET!” (John 2:13-16)
“I tell you that everyone who has will be given more; but the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. And these enemies of mine who were unwilling for me to rule over them, BRING THEM HERE AND SLAY THEM THEM IN FRONT OF ME. After Jesus had said this, He went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem.….” ( Luke 19:26-28)
As we happily have to agree, our Jesus is a man's man for sure and doesn't take any crap from no one! PRAISE!
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"CONGRATULATIONS DR. FRANKLIN !!!!"
THANK YOU BROTHERDTHOMAS HOW NICE
Your conduct is HOURNEDOUS
"DR. FRANKLIN, LET US BEGIN YOUR DEVIL SPEAK BLOODBATH:"
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Dr. Franklin,
CONGRATULATIONS DR. FRANKLIN !!!!
First off, you don’t want to display the conduct of what your voters are allegedly against, and erroneously gave you points for not doing, but you did anyway, like your disparaging statements below, okay? HELLO?! LOL!
“This guy is an idiot”
“Hah, look who won Dumbass”
NOT GOD OR JESUS.STRIKE 3 YOUR OUT!!
5 STRIKES AND YOUR MEGA OUT!!!!!
Dr.Franklin
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Satanic BrotherDThomas,
what the fuck is the matter with you. She was just outlying what she will do for the debate.
https://www.debateart.com/debates/913
Dr.Franklin
Added: 21 hours ago
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lol, I am debating you and destroying you. Your arguments are horrible
https://www.debateart.com/debates/956
Dr.Franklin
Added: 3 days ago
--> @BrotherDThomas
Fucking retard, he was removing a vote
https://www.debateart.com/debates/956
Dr.Franklin
Added: 1 day ago
--> @BrotherDThomas
Satanic BrotherDThomas,
what the fuck is the matter with you. She was just outlying what she will do for the debate.
https://www.debateart.com/debates/913
Now that it has been proven by your voters, ALL THREE OF THEM, that hearsay, wishful thinking and opinions of yourself and others are fair game in a debate, Jesus and I will STILL USE ACTUAL PROVABLE FACTS!
What is still comical, is the FACT that you and others DO NOT take into account the historicity of the biblical era where the earth was considered FLAT as a pancake, but instead, deceivingly take their ignorant anachronistic approach to this topic. Kids nothing but kids.
Subjectively, and as one of many faux pas’ of yours, your total EMBARRASSMENT by using the Hebrew word for FLAT circle of “cugh" was priceless that was NEVER USED within the bible, which should have removed 21 POINTS from your total! Whereas, I had to correct you AGAIN to provide the true word “chuwg” for FLAT circle in the Strong’s Concordance!
BrOtHErDThOMas
You should make a new debate that says
"The Earth Is Round says Atheists"
Like religion has to do with a round Earth
Hah, look who won Dumbass
thx for the vote
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>Reported Vote: Debater445 // Mod action: Removed
>Points Awarded: 4 points to pro for arguments and conduct. 2 points to con for sources
>Reason for Decision: Pro's arguments were better. Con did read the bible more thoroughly, and found more evidence, but Pro debunked it. Both had equal spelling and grammar. Con was far too rude and insulting, while Pro was as polite as possible, so of course he gets a point for best conduct.
>Reason for Mod Action: The voter is not eligable to vote. A voter must have 2 completed non troll / non forfeit debates, or 100 forum comments and have read the code of conduct in order to vote.
That being said. The vote would also have been removed were this not the case as arguments, conduct S&G are insufficiently explained.
To award arguments, the voter must (1) survey the main arguments and counterarguments in the debate, (2) weigh those arguments and counterarguments against each other, and (3) explain, based on the weighing process, how they reached their decision.
To award sources points, the voter must (1) explain how the debaters' sources impacted the debate, (2) directly assess the strength/utility of at least one source in particular cited in the debate, and (3) explain how and why one debater's use of sources overall was superior to the other's.
To award conduct points, the voter must (1) identify specific instances of misconduct, (2) explain how this misconduct was excessive, unfair, or in breach of the debate's rules, and (3) compare each debater's conduct.
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I can't stand fake people
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>Reported Vote: Club // Mod action: Removed
>Points Awarded: 3 points to pro for sources and conduct.
>Reason for Decision: Lol
So, Dr.Franklin had better sources because he used multiple unlike Mr, BRoThERd Thomas
BrotherDThomas also stated that DF was "Satanic" in some way.
>Reason for Mod Action: The does not sufficiently explaining any of the key points awarded.
To award sources points, the voter must (1) explain how the debaters' sources impacted the debate, (2) directly assess the strength/utility of at least one source in particular cited in the debate, and (3) explain how and why one debater's use of sources overall was superior to the other's.
To award conduct points, the voter must (1) identify specific instances of misconduct, (2) explain how this misconduct was excessive, unfair, or in breach of the debate's rules, and (3) compare each debater's conduct.
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No im asking people to vote
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Dr. Franklin,
LOOK AT YOU!!! You are crying like a little baby and pleading with others in a prejudiced manner, “Please vote for me,” CAN SOMEONE VOTE PLEASE!” How utterly embarrassing for you in front of the members of DebateArt! The members that you are pleading with seemingly have your back in voting for you in a totally biased way, which therefore makes them as ignorant as you are because they don’t care as well about BIBLE FACTS, and the HISTORICITY of our Christianity. Laughable!
You based your entire debate upon Wishful Thinking, Opinions, not using Strong’s Concordance with your bible passages, especially where you used the wrong word for “circle,” that comically fell flat upon its face. Then if the above disconcertments weren’t embarrassing enough for you, your deceiving anachronistic ways prevented you from actually knowing the TRUE historicity of our faith in the Bronze, Iron, and MIddle Ages, that believed in a FLAT EARTH, along with a PTOLEMAIC GEOCENTRIC PLANETARY SYSTEM UP UNTIL 1600AD, and as explicitly shown within the bible, makes you the continued fool, period!
Whether you like it or not, or accept it, the following link is what our biblical Hebrews believed regarding earth in the aforementioned periods of time.
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ded83b54de63777d8481fd176670a9e9
Dr. Franklin, you are guilty of so many inspired passages by Jesus, that I can hardly keep count of them! Nonetheless, here are a few of the standouts that you will have to answer upon your Judgment Day:
“Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.” (Proverbs 30: 5-6)
“EVERY word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ (Proverbs 30:5)
A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.” (Proverbs 18:2)
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>Reported Vote: Virtuoso// Mod action: Not Removed
>Points Awarded: 1 points to pro for conduct.
>Reason for Decision: See vote.
>Reason for Mod Action: The vote was found to be sufficient as per thesite policy.
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It is on my Radar, don’t worry.
I gotchu
vote plz
CAN SOMEONE VOTE!!!PLEASE
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Virtuoso,
YOUR QUOTE: "All of Con's argument was insulting the Pro and saying how he's "lying about Jesus".
You are correct! The TRUTH hurts sometimes, and in the case of the Satanic Dr. Franklin, I have shown him to call Jesus a LIAR throughout the debate with his ever so weak arguments of "well, it could mean this or that" instead of actual peered reviewed FACTS and biblical precepts through Strongs Concordance.
Dr. Franklin anachronistically puts todays Satanic science back into the Bible where it does NOT belong! Therefore he will pay upon Judgment Day; "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book" (Revelation 22:18-19)
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Virtuoso,
YOUR QUOTE: "Con's argument is self-contradictory, stating both that the earth is a circle and that it has four corners, which is geometrically impossible. Arguments to Pro"
I am the messenger of the Judeo-Christian bible in what it proposes, and in this case as YOU being a member of Judaism, "YOUR" god, Yahweh, and "MY" God Jesus, stated that our earth has 4 corners and is FLAT, and at the same time, it is a FLAT circle, as I have shown correctly from the Strongs Concordance, whereas Mr. Satan, Dr. Franklin, used erroneous words of a circle to try and save face again.
Therefore, our Gods are CONTRADICTORY, not me when I bring forth the historicity of our faiths.
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the Bible states that the earth has 4 corners, AND, it states that it is a FLAT earth. "YOUR" god, Yahweh, and "MY" God