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#956
Is the earth flat?
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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.
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After 4 votes and with 16 points ahead, the winner is...
King_8
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Serious flat earther conspiracy theorists only. Not a troll debate. Doubt anyone would accept this, but I'm giving it a shot. Looking forward to debunking this theory as I have done several times before. I will be arguing for the earth NOT being flat and my opponent will be arguing in favor of the earth being flat. As I said, serious flat earther debaters please. If you are a troll, do not accept. If you plan to play devil's advocate, then take that risk if you must and come up with some compelling arguments.
Round 1
Con
#1
Thanks for accepting the debate. Hopefully you are a serious opponent as the rules say. Good luck.
If the earth was flat, it would effects gravity, time, the seasons and life on earth in many ways.
Gravity
Hypothetical point: Since the earth is supposedly flat, then it must have edges. If the earth is flat, the center of the earth would feel normal, but as you move toward the outer edges of the earth, gravity would begin to push you back towards the center of the earth. Gravity pulls objects toward the center. On a round planet, it pulls you toward the ground, but on a flat planet gravity would pull you toward the center of the flat disc-like earth. This means as you got closer to the edge, it would pull you backward toward the center. It would feel like a sensation of climbing up a steep hill, or perhaps carrying excessive weights. Plant stems also grow opposite to the direction of gravity. If the earth were flat, as you got closer and closer to the edge, plants would begin to grow at an angle. The further away from the center, the more intense the angle plants would grow. If you reach the edge of the disc, would you fall off and into space? No. You wouldn't fall off to space just as you wouldn't on a spherical earth. Gravity keeps you stuck to the earth.
Realistic point: The spherical earth. A person can walk forever on earth, and it will never end. Why? Because 1. The earth is round. 2. Gravity keeps them bound. 3. If the earth was flat, there is no way that a person can continuously walk the earth or jog for miles, because if they reach the edge of the earth they won't be able to continue. There is a marathon runner named Dean Karnazes who basically ran majority of the earth. This is just a taste of what he's done. (1)
- - Ran 350 miles (560 km) in 80 hours and 44 minutes without sleep in 2005
- - Single-handedly completed "The Relay", A 199-mile (320 km) run from Calistoga to Santa Cruz, Eleven times.
- - Ran a marathon to the South Pole in −13 °F (−25 °C) temperatures without snowshoes in 2002
- - Ran a marathon in each of the 50 states in 50 consecutive days in 2006.
That alone effortlessly debunks the earth being flat. If the earth is flat how is he able to run half the world? If the earth is flat, It would be impossible or extremely difficult for him to jog that much.
Time
If the earth were flat, time would also be effected. Currently everyone on earth sees sunrises and sunsets at different times, but if the earth were flat, time zones wouldn't exist. Because of longitude, someone in New York sees the sunrise approximately 3 hours before someone in California and every point in between New York and California the sun rises at a different time. This is because the earth is round. If it were flat, everyone would see the same sunrise and sunset and everyone on earth would set their clocks at the same time.
Seasons
Our seasons would also be drastically different if the earth were flat. Everyone on earth would experience summer, winter, spring and autumn at the same time. You know how when it's summer in the United States it's winter in Australia? This is because the sun's rays which are perfectly parallel strike the earth at different angles during different parts of the year. If the earth were flat, the sun would always strike the earth at the same angle which would mean that everyone on earth would experience the same seasons at the same time of the year.
Lunar Eclipse
We would also not be able to see lunar eclipses in the same way we do now. The shape of our round earth's shadow is what creates the lunar eclipse. If the earth were flat that means there's only one possible orientation that the sun moon earth alignment would create a circular shadow. Lunar eclipses would only occur at a midnight position, but the sun, earth and moon perfectly aligned.
Other planets
Since you think the earth is flat, does that make other planets flat as well? Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune, are all of those flat?
The earth is not flat. It is very round, an almost perfect sphere.
If that didn't convince you or other flat earthers then I don't know what will. Await a response.
Source:
Pro
#2
King_8,
YOUR DECEIVING QUOTE: "By the way (if you're planning to do so) don't include religion in your argument. Let's focus solely at the topic at hand. If you plan to use Christianity then fine, just don't overdo it. The debate is about the earth, not religion. Let's stick with science and facts shall we? Await a response in the debate."
First thing, you DID NOT preface your debate acceptances with the above protocols, but only now perform this act when seeing that I am a TRUE Christian that you are obviously afraid of confronting! For your continued knowledge, the earth was created by Jesus, and for you to posit that the debate is not about religion is laughably incorrect, understood?
I read your comical science mumbo jumbo, and had a good laugh at your expense, thank you. I will stick to Biblical axioms, whereas your ever changing Satanic scientific facts may be useful to you and your equally ignorant friends, but not to Jesus and myself, get it?
Relative to your ungodly propositions that allegedly prove your point, the aforementioned entities that you deceivingly use, are how individuals see them when they are Satanic! Conversly, when TRUE Christians view these same entities, we have to see them as the bible proffers them below, otherwise, we would be going against Jesus' inspired words! 2+2=4.
Biblical words state that Ancient Israel imagined the earth to be a flat disk (Isaiah 42.5) resting on a foundation or pillars (Job 9.6) and surrounded by the ocean (Psalms 24.2; 136.6). The godly earth has four corners proving the planet earth is FLAT (Isaiah 11.12; Ezekekial 7.2; Job 37.3; 38.13) The earth also has an edge (Isaiah 24.36) or so to speak, it has ends (Isaiah 40.8; Job 28.4; Psalms 48.11; Jerimiah 6.22; 25.32).
Most importantly, is Isaiah 40:22 that with specificity states that the earth is a flat circle. “He sits enthroned above the CIRCLE OF THE EARTH, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.” This godly passage DOES NOT state a “sphere, or globe,” does it, but a FLAT CIRCLE? Get it?
Even the alleged top debater "Our_Boat_is_Right" in being a Christian, has to accept the above biblical axioms, otherwise, he might as well leave his chosen faith and join one of the other Abrahamic beliefs!
SIDEBAR: I enjoyed your Freudian Slip where you mentioned the following, to wit: "The earth is not flat. It is very round, ......"
DEFINITION OF THE ADJECTIVE WORD ROUND: a circular piece of a particular substance as "cut the pastry into rounds," WHICH EQUALS FLAT!
Jesus and I await your next Satanic words to the topic at hand to prove that you will be swimming in the sulfur lakes of Hell upon your demise, praise Jesus!
Round 2
Con
#3
It's not a deceiving quote. It's clear as day and understandable but somehow you misunderstood and went full blown Christian on me. You may even be a troll. How unfortunate, I did say serious debaters only. This obviously isn't a religious debate, that's why I didn't add "No religious argument" in the description, it wouldn't have made sense. I typed my comment to you BEFOREHAND so you seen it before you even responded to my argument, hence you quoting what I said. If that was the case, you could have simply followed my rules and not include religion in 99% of your argument but of course you did, meaning you did not follow my rules. 2+2=4? Math has nothing to do with this. The earth is round. The earth is in the shape of a sphere. A sphere is round. A flat disc is not round, it is flat. Yes, it's shape is round but overall, it is flat. Whereas, a sphere earth is definitely more round than the hypothetical flat earth.
If you aren't a troll and if you are serious about this debate, then prove it. I will ask you a series of questions which will be my argument this round. Please answer them to the best of your ability and as accurately as possible. Provide sources if need be. Refrain from the excessive religious arguments. It's annoying. By the way, I'm a Christian.
Questions | My R1 effortlessly debunks the earth being flat so I will just be asking these:
1. Since the earth is flat, I'd like you to give me an estimate of how big you think it is. Give me an accurate circumference. If you can that is.
2. It's seems as though you and many other flat-earthers deny the fact of gravity existing. In your case, let's ignore gravity at the moment pretending as if it doesn't exist for these questions. With gravity being nonexistent, how would things operate?
3a. If the earth is flat why and how have people sailed ships around it twice over without ever falling off?
3b. (Point) It is possible to see the effect of the curvature of the earth from sea level (ships disappearing over the horizon)
4. If the earth is flat, what happens to the oceans? Wouldn't they just spill over the edge?
5. How would seasons work? How would GPS and satellites work on a flat earth?
6. (Point) If you are high enough in an airplane, the curvature of the earth is very apparent. Airplanes overlap the earth.
7. If the earth is flat why has nobody ever been able to find the edge or even document it?
8. If NASA has supposedly faked thousands of images of the round earth, why isn't there even one picture of the edge?
9. Why would so many people be pretending that the earth is round? What benefit of lying about the shape of the earth serve? What exactly would it gain?
10. If the earth is flat, then how are the rest of the planets in the solar system spherical?
11. The earth's layers. The inner core, outer core, mantle and the crust, something of which the spherical earth does have. If the earth is flat, then what's inside the flat earth? Is the inner core still in the center?
Pro
#4
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KING_8,
When I accepted your debate, and seeing that I am a TRUE Christian, I was obviously going to use Jesus’ inspired words for the topic at hand, understood? At this point, you could have saved yourself further embarrassment and walked away, but you didn’t! Therefore, what happens from this point forward as you blaspheme Jesus the Christ is your decision, understood?
Within context, you don’t want me to use the bible regarding that the earth is flat because of its eventful outcome, then in turn, you do not use Satanic Science to help you insidiously prove that the earth is not flat, but an assumed GLOBE, and not “Round” like you stated when you slipped on your Freudian! GET IT?
REMEMBER, my Jesus is watching (Proverbs 5:21-23), therefore I have to follow His inspired word when He states that I, and other Christians, are to defend his faith and precepts at all costs that the earth is flat, do you understand? Huh? Maybe just a little bit?
"We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ," (2 Corinthians 10:5)
YOUR SATANIC QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED AS FOLLOWS:
1. Since the earth is flat, I'd like you to give me an estimate of how big you think it is. Give me an accurate circumference. If you can that is.
MY GODLY ANSWER: Only Jesus, as our Jewish Yahweh god incarnate, knows the specific circumference. Conversely, you do not know the true estimate of how large Jesus’ Milky Way is, because your Satanic Science keeps changing it!
3a. If the earth is flat why and how have people sailed ships around it twice over without ever falling off?
MY GODLY ANSWER: Firstly, I am sure that there is more than two times that ships have sailed the oceans to the other side, agreed? That being said, this is easily done because Jesus allows it: “So Jesus said to him, “Unless you see signs and wonders you will not believe.” (John 4:48)
3b. (Point) It is possible to see the effect of the curvature of the earth from sea level (ships disappearing over the horizon)
MY GODLY ANSWER: The “assumed” curvature of the earth is nothing more than a mirage, or an optical illusion caused by atmospheric conditions.
4. If the earth is flat, what happens to the oceans? Wouldn't they just spill over the edge?
MY GODLY ANSWER: Yes.
5. How would seasons work? How would GPS and satellites work on a flat earth?
MY GODLY ANSWER: By working like they do now because Jesus allows it: "While you stretch out your hand to heal, and signs and wonders are performed through the name of your holy servant Jesus.” (Acts 4:30)
6. (Point) If you are high enough in an airplane, the curvature of the earth is very apparent. Airplanes overlap the earth.
MY GODLY ANSWER: Again, the refraction of light from the sky's atmosphere shows an optical illusion of curvature. This has already been addressed, please do not repeat yourself again.
7. If the earth is flat why has nobody ever been able to find the edge or even document it?
MY GODLY ANSWER: Because when Jesus' creation get to the edge of the earth, they immediately go to the other side without knowing it. “You are the God who works wonders; you have made known your might among the peoples.” (Psalm 77:14)
8. If NASA has supposedly faked thousands of images of the round earth, why isn't there even one picture of the edge?
MY GODLY ANSWER: This is simply because they are looking at the TOP of the ROUND flat earth. Duh.
9. Why would so many people be pretending that the earth is round? What benefit of lying about the shape of the earth serve? What exactly would it gain?
MY GODLY ANSWER: By proving that our bible Jesus God exists when His word states that the earth is flat, H-E-L-L-O, anybody home today?
10. If the earth is flat, then how are the rest of the planets in the solar system spherical?
MY GODLY ANSWER: This is easily addressed that Jesus obviously wanted the earth to stand out amongst his other creations in His planetary system, therefore, he made our living area flat.
11. The earth's layers. The inner core, outer core, mantle and the crust, something of which the spherical earth does have. If the earth is flat, then what's inside the flat earth? Is the inner core still in the center?
MY GODLY ANSWER: Yes
King_8, to be honest, you are going to have too step up your game because I am falling asleep with your juvenile rhetoric, AND I am truly tiring of your insolence towards Jesus and his written word within the scriptures showing that His earth is indeed flat! Notwithstanding, your puerile statements relative to your Satanic Science allegedly showing that the earth is a sphere.
At what point do you come to terms with your blatant ignorance upon this topic? You have yet to understand that Jesus’ words trumps man’s alleged understanding of things in the 21st century. “But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men.” (Acts 5:29)
The TRUE Christian is obligated to follow ALL of the inspired words of our God named Jesus, no matter what is said in his name, where in this case, Jesus states that the earth is FLAT! 2+2=4, oil and water don't mix, and you will spend eternity in the depths of Hell upon your demise for blasphemy towards Jesus!
********* FELLOW CHRISTIANS, YOU CAN SHOUT OUT IN THE COMMENTS SECTION OF THIS DEBATE SHOWING THAT YOU TOO ACCEPT THAT JESUS’ INSPIRED WORDS ARE TRUE WHEN HE STATED THAT THE EARTH IS FLAT! THANK YOU. **********
Round 3
Con
#5
Ignoring all of your religious bullshit, it's annoying. Of course you answered all the questions incorrectly and it was not accurate. You just based them off of Jesus. On to argument.
Being skeptical is important, sure but when the evidence is overwhelming and the science testable and provable there comes to a point where a question has an answer and there's hard hitting facts smack dab in front of your face, And by denying those facts, It is blind-sided. Is the earth flat? No it's not. It is round. The flat earth theory has been debunked time and time again but still many flat- earthers persist with their views. This shouldn't even be a theory.
There's definitely a deeper reason as why people believe in a flat earth, and that has a lot to do with psychology. According to Karen Douglas, a psychologist at the University of Kent, that studies the psychology of conspiracy theories -- Flat earther's conspiracy theories share a basic trust. They present an alternative theory about an important issue or event, and construct a vague explanation for why someone is covering up that true version of events. The power in that conspiracy lies in the fact that they are vague, and they give people a sense of security, control and comfort that they don't otherwise have. Flat-earthers gather in forums, online communities and at conventions to talk about their beliefs. The flat earth society gives them a sense of community. Honestly, what people don't realize is that many flat-earthers say the earth is flat but don't actually believe it, as in it's just one huge joke or a way to get attention. I wonder, are you one of those people? Enlighten me. I'm still convinced that you are either a troll because of your heavily religious argument or you might even be "Our_Boat_is_Right" because oromagi said in the comments "I smell an alt account"
Pro
#6
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KING_8,
YOU SHOWING THAT JESUS’ WORD IS MAKING YOU NERVOUS: “Ignoring all of your religious bullshit, it's annoying. Of course you answered all the questions incorrectly and it was not accurate. You just based them off of Jesus.”
I am truly sorry that Jesus’ word is upsetting you and your perceived comical knowledge that the earth is a globe, and not flat as Jesus proves within the scriptures. Learn a simple fact, and that is just because I didn’t answer your juvenile questions in the way you wanted, it does not preclude that they were wrong to a TRUE Christian, understood?
To the TRUE Christian, there is no need in being “skeptical” because that is for wussy Atheists, where your Satanic Science is always changing more so than not, whereas you have to be skeptical! All a TRUE Christian has to do is read from our God’s word, and accept it without question, and we are done.
No, a biblical flat earth is not a theory to Christians, because we have the word of Jesus as Yahweh God incarnate telling us that it is truly flat as his inspired writings have shown the believer. You are just jealous that you do not have an absolute outcome in science, where it changes from time to time, where we do have an absolute from God! Jealous?
YOUR QUOTE GRASPING FOR STRAWS: “Honestly, what people don't realize is that many flat-earthers say the earth is flat but don't actually believe it, as in it's just one huge joke or a way to get attention. I wonder, are you one of those people? Enlighten me.
What part of me being a TRUE Christian don’t you understand? What part of me telling you that in being a TRUE Christian we have to accept the whole bible in what it says, without any insidious apologetics or hermeneutics, understood? I hate to repeat to my opponent in what has already been said, okay?
YOUR WISHFUL THINKING QUOTE: “…..or you might even be “Our_Boat_is_Right …..”
Surely you jest? The “Tow Boat” doesn’t even come close to my knowledge and talent in getting Jesus’ word to the ignorant masses like yourself. He is a piker, and is who he pretends to be, whereas I am the TRUE Christian that has forgotten more about my bible than other Christians will ever learn from it! Case in point, look at the inept Mr. Franklin, who couldn’t debate his his way out of a broom closet!
King_8, I told you to up your game, remember? Seemingly, your Atheist position is preventing you from doing this because of your science mumbo jumbo is continually getting in your way, therefore, I am growing tired in “schooling you” upon your flat earth topic.
Another thing that you have to understand, is the FACT that you are not going to convince a TRUE Christian that the earth is a GLOBE, because in doing so, we are then calling Jesus a LIAR in the verses He has shown in that the earth is FLAT. Do you understand this simple premise? Therefore, it matters not whether I, or any other Christian, allegedly wins a debate upon topics of this nature, get it? Huh?
I will await your scientific musings once again for comical entertainment purposes only. Thank you.
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Round 4
Con
#7
Nothing else to say. Arguments still stand. You never even rebutted anything. 99% religious arguments. This is a troll, and its probably Our_Boat. By the way I'm not an Atheist I even told you I am a Christian but I don't annoyingly push my opinion on my beliefs to other people as it's counter productive. Thanks for the debate.
Pro
#8
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King_8,
YOUR UNGODLY SATANIC QUOTE: "Nothing else to say. Arguments still stand. You never even rebutted anything. 99% religious arguments. This is a troll, and its probably Our_Boat. By the way I'm not an Atheist I even told you I am a Christian but I don't annoyingly push my opinion on my beliefs to other people as it's counter productive. Thanks for the debate."
I easily rebutted your scientific mumbo jumbo with the direct words of Jesus the Christ, and for you to try and save face amongst your equally bible ignorant friends, you now state that what I proposed isn’t supposed to be worthy because I am alleged a troll? WHAT? The bottom line is whether a troll took you to the cleaners, or a non troll did, the outcome was the same, comprenede?
The most horrifying aspect of your debate is that you claim to be a Christian, in name only, therefore you directly went against Jesus’ words AS SHOWN IN THE THE DIRECT BIBLE PASSAGES IN QUESTION THAT STATE WITH SPECIFICITY THAT THE EARTH IS FLAT! Tell us, where do you get the authority to rewrite the bible into what you want it to be? You are no more a Christian than the late Christopher Hitchens!
“EVERY word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ (Proverbs 30:5)
First off, on your biography page, you are too embarrassed to tell us your chosen acceptances, let alone, in what religion you follow. If you are an “alleged” Christian, then state as such. Don’t you realize that Jesus is watching you being embarrassed about His faith by not stating that you are a Christian? (Proverbs 5:21-23) The comical irony of you allegedly being a Christian, is the fact that you are supposed to defend Jesus’ direct words, but instead, you become Satan incarnate and brutally trash them and say that Jesus was wrong on the earth being flat! Who in the Hell do you think you are as an assumed Christian?
As if your embarrassing position shown above isn’t enough, then you have the audacity to state as an assumed Christian, to wit: “ but I don't annoyingly push my opinion on my beliefs to other people as it's counter productive.” WHAT?! Jesus says you are to defend the faith in the following passages, therefore, do you want to call Jesus a LIAR by not doing so?!
"We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ," (2 Corinthians 10:5)
"He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9)
"He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9)
“Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. (2 Timothy” 4:2)
You have yet to completely understand that when one is a TRUE Christian, then we have to follow ALL, and I repeat, ALL of the precepts and doctrine of the inspired word of Jesus the Christ whether or not we oppose them, or do not like them, period! We do not have the option to usurp Jesus’s words as God incarnate because if we do, then we are committing the UNPARDONABLE SIN! Unfortunately, you have committed the UNPARDONABLE SIN, and the ramifications thereof, with your disparaging words towards Jesus where I am truly sorry in your behalf.
In closing, and in simple terms for you to hopefully understand, you cannot have your cake and eat it too, understood? You cannot be an assumed Christian, then at the same time, slap our Jesus the Christ in the face by stating that he was wrong in promoting that the earth is flat as shown in the direct passages in question.
King_8, you have a lot to learn, and the clock in ticking towards your eventful demise upon Judgment Day.
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Criterion
Con
Tie
Pro
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
This is primarily an honor thing, as it would be shameful for a flat-earther to win a true debate.
HOWEVER, the arguments provided by Con absolutely destroyed the logic of Pro, which can be paraphrased to "A dead guy wants this thing, so therefore the universe will defy all logic to be so."
I have some of my own rebuttals that disprove the arguments by Pro that prove I am not swayed as much as I am with con.
1.) Pro contradicts themselves greatly by continually saying the same thing. Specific examples of this are:
>>Because when Jesus' creation get to the edge of the earth, they immediately go to the other side without knowing it.
So, basically they completed one revolution of the earth. This logic would work at the equator and nowhere else, because the other side would mean that if somebody left Russia and went north, they would they find themselves going north from Antarctica rather than reaching Canada.
>>Firstly, I am sure that there is more than two times that ships have sailed the oceans to the other side, agreed? That being said, this is easily done because Jesus allows it
Basically says that the "Impossible thing" sailing from one side to the other is possible because jesus allows it. It's not jesus, just physics.
2.) Con directly said: The debate is about the earth, not religion. Let's stick with science and facts shall we?, followed by pro basing their ENTIRE ARGUMENT on quotes from the bible that hardly fit.
>>“So Jesus said to him, “Unless you see signs and wonders you will not believe.” (John 4:48)
The context for this quote was a passage about Jesus healing a sick prince, not causing satellites to work correctly. In my opinion, it can't even be applied.
3.) Con was able to, at the end, simply state that his argument still stands and still convince me that he was correct.
Because of these things, it has become an argument similar to 1kg of steel versus 1kg of feathers. Con was able to hit every point quickly and concisely, whereas pro made every reasonable and unreasonable connection to the bible that he could. My final bias, however was an easy argument to make. The earth was discovered to be SPHERICAL in 1492. Also, the universe is always changing behind our backs, therefore science needs to change to catch up. Back in 1492, medicine was still just trying everything that might work and ignoring the mass casualties.
"My godly answer"---"Your ungodly satanic quote"
No need to go all messiah on us, dude, that's a point off for conduct. Pro was very rude to the readers and their opponent, and cannot prove otherwise. They treated Con like an ignorant child rather than the intelligent instigator of an online debate.
Criterion
Con
Tie
Pro
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
Con made several arguments, such as the seasons and gravity ones, that are perfectly valid and were never addressed, much less refuted by Pro.
Pro's arguments consisted of quoting unscientific sources like 'Jesus said the Earth is flat' and stuff of the like. These are incorrect because they are OT quotes, not actually Jesus, and also because they are merely assertions. If Mahatma Gandhi told me that my hair was purple, despite all evidence otherwise, then despite my respect for Mahatma Gandhi, I would not be convinced.
Arguments to Con.
Pro calls Con "ungodly," "Satanic," etc., and was overall ignoring valid arguments to go in for Ad Hominem attacks. Con kept a mostly civil tone and did not use derogatory language, other than calling Pro a "troll," which is a legitimate claim and not derogatory so much as descriptive. This is neither a Mere Insult or Hate Speech under the CoC.
Conduct to Con.
Criterion
Con
Tie
Pro
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
Com laid out clear and concise arguments for his position, relating to gravity, seasons, time and the lunar eclipse.
These points went wholly unrefuted. Directly or indirectly: so these must stand.
In addition: pro offers only A few sparse points related to biblical passages, arguing the appearance of being spherical is down to mirages and optical effects and offers no actual positive support for his position; there is no susbtance to any of the positions and so I must reject cons arguments as being insufficient.
Arguments to con
Pros entire approach was obvious trolling, a deliberate attempt to argue in bad faith, and utterly derailed any semblance of what the debate should have been about. Con attempted to stay on topic initially despite this. Pros behaviour was clearly toxic and antithetical to reasoned debate, and massively disrespectful to his opponent. As a result, Conduct goes to con too
Criterion
Con
Tie
Pro
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
Con has good arguments like Gravity,Time,Seasons,Lunar Eclipse and Other planets.
Pro responds with Biblical verses which is not evidence nor rebuttals to any of Con's points.
Arguments-Con
Sources:Tie
S&P:Tie
Conduct:Pro frequently mentions Con's arguments as "UNGODLY SATANIC" and"DECEIVING"
you know what, fuck it, it will be a easy win anyway
"Pseudo-Christian",are you 21stCenturyIconoclast?LOL
1.No, I proved Jesus did not refer to the earth as a circle for it being a flat earth
2. im not scared, Im not wasting my time on you
3.No, I dont run away
4.Nope,name one
5.nope
6.Really, how?
Dr. Franklin = the true definition of a pseudo-christian:
1. To save further embarrassment, he cannot reread his previous posts in this thread showing him rewriting Jesus LITERAL words where he wants Jesus NOT to state the earth is flat.
2. Is too SCARED to debate me upon our Jesus the Christ's LITERAL word regarding that the earth is flat.
3. Continues to RUN AWAY from our Christian faith when pushed to explain why he calls Jesus a LIAR!
4. Keeps chanting like a child the same statement, when in fact, I gave him embarrassing evidence that he refuses to address.
5. Has turned into a "parrot" to save further embarrassment regarding his ignorance pertaining to our faith
6. Has turned into a TROLL by it's true definition, which is quite the irony.
This is enough embarrassing facts about our ol' Dr. Franklin, that can no more defend our Christianity than the equally inept Our_Boat_is_Right can.
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"where have I allegedly "interjected" any religion into politics? Awaiting a cogent response this time, okay? Thank you."
For example, your abortion arguement. You literally base anything you do off of Religion. You also said this, so unless you have amnesia, I'm not sure how you forgot about it.
"Not bringing your Christian belief into political matters is blaspheme towards Jesus the Christ! How dare you single him out of political matters? Again, who in the hell do you think you are in this respect?!"
my guy lmao
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Our_Boat_is_Right,
Firstly, I find it amusing that you have turned into what you're allegedly against, AND THAT IS A TROLL BY IT'S TRUE DEFINITION! LOL! Just reread your rants in your embarrassing posts for the proof of this fact!
With that being said, where have I allegedly "interjected" any religion into politics? Awaiting a cogent response this time, okay? Thank you.
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Again,no evidence, this is fun
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Dr. Franklin,
Seriously, you obviously do not want to reread your ungodly posts showing you wanting to REWRITE what Jesus said literally, into what you want Jesus to say APOLOGETICALLY to save face in that Jesus promotes that the earth is flat! You will pay upon Judgment Day for sure!
May I suggest that you accept AND follow this biblical principle that explains you to the letter, to wit: “Even fools are thought wise if they keep silent, and discerning if they hold their tongues.” (Proverbs 17:28)
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you are a radical christian that interjects your personal Chrisian beliefs into everything. Did you forgot that we have God goven rights granted by the Constitution, that includes the freedom of religion? By interjecting your religious beliefs into politics, you impede freedom of religion. Most people are not Christian and do not agree with your religious beliefs, so stop interjecting your religious beliefs in the most free, best country in the world.
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Our_Boat_is_Right,
Barring your grasping for straws quotes in disparaging me BY YOU BEING THE TRUE DEFINITION OF A TROLL, you forgot to address your proposition of Islam murdering others that do not follow Islam, whereas, our Christian view proffers the same in the passage shown in the post in question. Why are you RUNNING AWAY from our Christianity again??? Can you give the members of this forum an answer?
ah, again no evidence
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Dr. Franklin,
YOUR QUOTE: "PLEASE GIVE ME EVIDENCE AND EVIDENCE THAT I AM LYING"
I don't know if I can give you evidence TWICE like you proposed, where only one time should suffice.
Listen, in the name of Jesus' true words, I can understand that you are somewhat disturbed in calling Jesus a LIAR in your posts, where you try in vain to state that what Jesus said LITERALLY, is not what the insidious act of APOLOGETICS meant Him to say.
Why don't you challenge me to a debate upon the topic of Jesus' LIERAL WORD! Yes? I guarantee you will have a nervous time, okay?
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May God cure your mental disease.
you are a radical christian that interjects your personal Chrisian beliefs into everything. Did you forgot that we have God goven rights granted by the Constitution, that includes the freedom of religion? By interjecting your religious beliefs into politics, you impede freedom of religion. Most people are not Christian and do not agree with your religious beliefs, so stop interjecting your religious beliefs in the most free, best country in the world.
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Virtuoso,
YOUR QUOTE: "I will refer that to bsh1 as he handles the bans. In the future, please privately PM us if you have a problem with a user."
TROLL: In internet slang, a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community ..."
Relative to the definition of a Troll above, I am only responding to the inept wannabe Christian in defense of Jesus' TRUE WORDS. I cannot help it if the wannabe Christians in this thread do not like Jesus' truth, and because of this fact, they turn themselves into the true definition of a TROLL in response!
I should not be held hostage in any way whatsoever for being a TRUE Christian, where there should be no problem in representing my faith in a truthful manner whether the true Trolls by definition, the wannabe Christians as shown, like it or not. What an irony, huh?
Facetiously, I as a TRUE Christian, and you as a follower of Judaism, should be happy that I am taking on the pseudo-christian crowd in their total ignorance of their faith!
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With you following Judaism,
PLEASE GIVE ME EVIDENCE AND EVIDENCE THAT I AM LYING
Our_Boat_is_Right,
May I make a serious proposition that you should follow post haste? Please, for the sake of what face you have left within this forum, just remain upon the sidelines for a long time, okay? This will prevent you from removing one foot to insert the other, understood?
YOUR HYPOCRITICAL CHRISTIAN QUOTE: "What if I am a radical Ismalic? Should we make laws to murder people that don't agree with the Islam religion? After all, it would be going against the Islamic religion and the holy book of the Q'uran."
I hate it when the assumed Christian like you forces me to include our Jesus' inspired word equal to the Islamic Qu'ran in the context posed above!!! In doing so, I as a TRUE Christian unfortunately has to accept that our Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, proffered the same murderous acts as shown within your revealing quote. Conversely, should we make laws to murder people that don't agree with Christianity as Jesus' inspired words state below? Huh?
"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, BUT KILL HIM. Your hand shall be the first raised to SLAY HIM; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall STONE HIM TO DEATH, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)
Do you understand why it is so hard in being a TRUE Christian in the 21st century of Satanic science, logic, and reason, let alone YOU being an hypocritical Christian?
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I do not agree with your right wing ideology in real life or online. All users are entitled to fair treatment, whether you brand them 'troll' or not.
It is a troll. He is not worth taking seriously.
I will refer that to bsh1 as he handles the bans. In the future, please privately PM us if you have a problem with a user.
"What if I am a radical Ismalic?"
Can I be Ismalic too?
Please do not threaten users with mod action like that. Especially not new ones.
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Our_Boat_is_Right,
YOUR CHRISTIAN RUN AWAY QUOTE: "This guy is a troll, he is not worth our time."
Your statement is yet another Christian excuse # 409937387495948383854-5 to RUN AWAY from the true words of Jesus the Christ!
Since you could not address Jesus' inspired words that I have included in this debate, and in the comments section, you have to run away from them to save face! Your priceless runaway is duly noted.
What you fail to realize, is that our Jesus is watching you RUN AWAY from his true words where your utter stupidity will send you to your grave!
"The Lord sees everything you do. Wherever you go, he is watching. The sins of the wicked are a trap. They get caught in the net of their own sin. They die because they have no self-control. Their utter stupidity will send them to their graves." (Proverbs 5:21-23)
Wannabe Christians are so predictable because of their outright ignorance to Jesus' faith.
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Can we get a temp ban on this "brotherDThomas" guy? He is literally a troll. Why are trolls even allowed on this site?
What if I am a radical Ismalic? Should we make laws to murder people that don't agree with the Islam religion? After all, it would be going against the Islamic religion and the holy book of the Q'uran.
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King_8,
Barring the fact that you are guilty of the Unpardonable Sin, and what time you have left as being a passenger of our Jesus’ created earth, pick your battles wisely next time, where you won’t be stepping in the proverbial poo all the time as being shown to be an outright hypocritical Christian, okay? You’re welcome.
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This guy is a troll, he is not worth our time.
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King_8,
Barring the FACT that you removed your child-like response to me stating “shut up,” and if in fact you are a Christian, but in name only, you should be proud to let everyone know this fact, understood? By not stating that you are an assumed Christian in your biography page, again, then you are slapping Jesus right in the face as biblically shown below:
JESUS’ INSPIRED WORD SAYS TO LET IT BE KNOWN YOU ARE TO PRAISE AND ACKNOWLEDGE HIM AT ALL TIMES:
“Praise the Lord! Praise God in his sanctuary; praise him in his mighty heavens! Praise him for his mighty deeds; praise him according to his excellent greatness! Praise him with trumpet sound; praise him with lute and harp! Praise him with tambourine and dance; praise him with strings and pipe! Praise him with sounding cymbals; praise him with loud clashing cymbals! …” (Psalm 150:1-6)
“Through him then let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that acknowledge his name.” Hebrews 13:15)
I therefore ask you, are you portending to know more than our Savior Jesus the Christ by not following said passages above by not posting that you are a Christian in your bio page? Yes? BLASPHEME!
YOUR EMBARRASSING QUOTE: “”….. especially with tons of trolls such as yourself.”
There are times when the individual like yourself should just remain silent, and in this case when you stated “trolls like me,” which is not true, but nonetheless, then you were made the fool regarding your alleged Christian faith by a TROLL! How embarrassing, huh?
YOUR ERRONEOUS QUOTE: “Someone who doesn't make $150,000 can put "$150,000" by "Income". Does that make that true about them? No.”
Listen kid, don’t play semantics with me, understood? You are talking apples and oranges, whereas the income post IS NOT equal to Jesus stating that a Christian is to be proud in mentioning that they are a Christian at all times, including your biography page, get it?
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Most of your bible passages were from the Old Testament, not the words of Jesus. I hope you understand metaphors. The scriptures also say that the Earth is God's footstool, which I think I would have noticed if a couple of heavenly ankles were resting upon the entire earth.
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Dr. Franklin,
YOUR REMOVE ONE FOOT TO INSERT THE OTHER QUOTE: " this is hilarious."
I agree, it is HILARIOUS in you trying to change Jesus' EXACT WORDS with some of the most insipid apologetics that I have seen in a long time!
Where did you get your ungodly Fake Christian Apologetics from? Is it by reading Satanic books taking Jesus' word out of context to save face? You have presented the insidious act of Apologetics 101 in your ever so wanting refutation in not accepting Jesus promoting that the earth is indeed FLAT!
Dr. Franklin, you are guilty of the following passage, to wit: "For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." (2 Timothy 4:3)
May I suggest that you just remain silent upon our Christianity, because you are giving us a bad name, okay? Thank you.
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So according an empty label on a profile, that constitutes me not being a Christian and me being "embarrassed"? I know what I am. I don't need to add anything to my beliefs on a profile for confirmation from you nor anyone. Labels on profiles doesn't hold much value to me. Anyone can say anything about themselves when it comes to the internet. It may or may not be true, especially with tons of trolls such as yourself. Someone who doesn't make $150,000 can put "$150,000" by "Income". Does that make that true about them? No. Plus I just got on this website the beginning of this month. I haven't even been on here for a month yet, so I haven't added anything to my bio. I mean, just my age. I usually don't even do things like that. I'm lowkey. I just let people talk to me and get to know me. Thanks for the debate.
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Our_Boat_is_Right,
YOUR REVEALING QUOTE: "@Dr.Franklin wow just realized ur an 89 year old debater?? Impressive."
How can it be impressive in the fact that the inept Dr. Franklin is considered to be biblically ignorant for 89 years? Case in point, he tries in vain to spin doctor the biblical axioms of Jesus' EXACT WORDS stating that the earth is flat, into something that Dr. Franklin wants Jesus to say regarding that the earth not flat? Huh? Just read Dr. Franklins posts within this threads comments to see that he allegedly knows more than Jesus. Priceless bible ignorance at it's best!
I am coming to terms in realizing that DebateArt harbors more biblically ignorant Christians than any other religion forum!!!
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Our_Boat_is_Right,
YOUR QUOTE: “Please stop trolling and be a serious debater.”
Are you calling my TRUE Christian beliefs not serious?! Who in the Hell do you think you are by commenting in such a way? After viewing your vain attempts is debating our Christianity, you are the last one on this website to make such ungodly statements to me, understood?
YOUR UNGODLY QUOTE: “I am christian but I don't bring religion into my political arguments, because that would be a disaster.”
First off, this debate is NOT political, and secondly, not bringing your Christian belief into political matters is blaspheme towards Jesus the Christ! How dare you single him out of political matters? Again, who in the hell do you think you are in this respect?!
JESUS’ INSPIRED WORD STATES: “"He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9)
YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE: “For example, abortion is prohibited by the Bible, but you can very easily make a non-religious argument by saying the unborn have the right to life and argue that abortion is murder.”
You are no more a Christian than Dr. Franklin, because you bring up the abortion issue, whereas, being a TRUE Christian we have to accept the biblical axiom that our Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, committed abortions upon the women of Ephraim in the book of Hosea. Yes, this biblical fact is hard to accept, but when a TRUE Christain reads all of our bible, then we come accross situations like this. Therefore, I suggest that you do not bring forth the abortion issue again because it is hypocritical to what our Jesus represents, get it?
Tow Boat, your biblical ignorance is without bounds, how embarrassing for you on DebateArt.com!
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this is hilarious
Why thank you.
wow just realized ur an 89 year old debater?? Impressive 😂😂
I know right, radical Christians
YOUR WICKED QUOTE:"Case in point, look at the inept Mr. Franklin, who couldn’t debate his his way out of a broom closet!"
Please give me evidence where I couldn't debate.
Quite wrong.
“According to Stephen Jay Gould, "there never was a period of 'flat Earth darkness' among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the Earth's roundness as an established fact of cosmology."[5] Historians of science David Lindberg and Ronald Numbers point out that "there was scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge [Earth's] sphericity and even know its approximate circumference”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth?wprov=sfti1
@BrotherDThomas
You do know you can tag people when making a comment, right? More and more I look at your comments the closer I get to the conclusion that you are a troll. Please stop trolling and be a serious debater. I am christian but I don't bring religion into my political arguments, because that would be a disaster. Not everyone has the Christian religion and we have freedom of religion here in America, so to make laws directly based on religion is not right. There are plenty of moral and just non-religious arguments to be made on just about any topic. For example, abortion is prohibited by the Bible, but you can very easily make a non-religious argument by saying the unborn have the right to life and argue that abortion is murder. Not everything should revolve around God.
In 1019 AD/CE, the dark ages, not even smart Europeans were AWARE of the flat earth theory. 2400 years ago, there were people who believed in the correct position, but flat earth was definitely a truism in the middle ages.
YOUR STUPID QUOTE:"For Christ's sake, we are NOT dealing with what a "society," may think, but with the inspired word of Jesus as Yahweh god incarnate, understand, fool?! Therefore, it was JESUS that wrote the exact words contained in Isaiah 40:22 by using the term "circle!!!" GET IT? When is your blatant ignorance going to slap Jesus in the face again? Huh?"
Again, Jesus would obviously make the Bible so his people can understand. This was the best way for his people to understand that the earth was round.
I would love for Jesus to judge YOU when you lied about him
Wow! I am never out of words, ok, heard it? I don't want to set a fire here.. I actually never had a hard time with anyone of other religions.. Instead it was fun and friendly to me.. But serious.. I find hard to explain Islamic stuff in English.. I can't explain things in English that well cx my second language is English.... King_8 clearly stated that is if you understand outer and inner language, he said no religion talks in the beginning. If it was me I would have used logic and other things to prove what I have to prove if I have to do without religion proof.. Sorry but I don't want to start a fight. If anyone have a problem with what I said then ignore what I said cx it better to let go than starting something.. Look before you start something.. Outer and inner language you people won't understand, so don't ask cx I can't explain well
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Dr. Franklin,
There are times when certain inept Christians like you pose an insidious answer, and expect the rational thinkers to actually accept it. NOT!
YOUR PATHETIC QUOTE: "Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe,just maybe society back then people wouldn't understand 3d shapes. Calling the world a circle is a whole lot better than a disk which is the most common name for the world by flat-earthers."
HELLO, ANYBODY HOME? For Christ's sake, we are NOT dealing with what a "society," may think, but with the inspired word of Jesus as Yahweh god incarnate, understand, fool?! Therefore, it was JESUS that wrote the exact words contained in Isaiah 40:22 by using the term "circle!!!" GET IT? When is your blatant ignorance going to slap Jesus in the face again? Huh?
I would hate to see you upon Judgment Day, where you approach Jesus as he has the lever to the trap doors of Hell in his hands, remembering in how you disparaged him at DebateArt in the comments section of this debate! Wow! Good luck in your fateful demise!
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I dont think Jesus was a liar though, I think YOU lied about Jesus.Lets do it your style to while were at it.
YOUR EVIL QUOTE:"Most importantly, is Isaiah 40:22 that with specificity states that the earth is a flat circle. “He sits enthroned above the CIRCLE OF THE EARTH, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.” This godly passage DOES NOT state a “sphere, or globe,” does it, but a FLAT CIRCLE? Get it?"
Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe,just maybe society back then people wouldn't understand 3d shapes. Calling the world a circle is a whole lot better than a disk which is the most common name for the world by flat-earthers.
YOUR EVIL SATANIC QUOTE:" Being Islamic, do you as well have a hard time with the Satanic Atheist relative to your Allah God's words in the Qu'ran?"
Allah is the Christian God as well.
Have you had enough of actually trying to debate Christians on reasonable grounds Iconoclast? This is quite pathetic, though I wouldn't expect anything better coming from you.
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Twilightzi,
As I have stated, King_8 did not have to accept me, knowing that I am a TRUE Christian subsequently to reading my biography page, therefore Jesus' word regarding a flat earth had to be involved, as is your Abrahamic rendition of my Jesus, named Allah, is under the same guise that He too proffers that the earth is FLAT! Therefore, you shouldn't be "out of words" being Islamic.
For your future knowledge, it is hardly ever a friendly debate when I encounter the heathen Atheist and their ungodly rhetoric. Being Islamic, do you as well have a hard time with the Satanic Atheist relative to your Allah God's words in the Qu'ran?
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Dr. Franklin,
Why are you still RUNNING AWAY from our bible? Huh? I challenged you to a debate on you calling Jesus a LIAR, and you declined, but instead, you have made yourself a Satanic fool again.
YOUR QUOTE: "Yeah easy win... This guy has no evidence and has twisted the Bible so much he's beyond repair."
Listen up, fool, I have given plenty of biblical evidence that shows that the earth is FLAT, therefore, are you calling Jesus' inspired words a LIE again?Show me specifically where I allegedly "TWISTED" the Bible regarding the topic at hand! Now, DO NOT RUNAWAY AGAIN, because your fellow brethren are watching, UNDERSTOOD?
WAITING!
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Yeah easy win... This guy has no evidence and has twisted the Bible so much he's beyond repair
I am out of words... I Thought that this was going to be a friendly serious debate.. Not a debate based on religion.. It's category is nature not religion. Wonder why it went to opposite.. Well.. Good luck ,king_8!
Do you know how to tag someone?, there is a receivers bar.
Anyway please give me biblical evidence that I disobeyed Jesus and the word of God.