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Topic
#956
Is the earth flat?
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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.
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Better conduct
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After 4 votes and with 16 points ahead, the winner is...
King_8
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Description
Serious flat earther conspiracy theorists only. Not a troll debate. Doubt anyone would accept this, but I'm giving it a shot. Looking forward to debunking this theory as I have done several times before. I will be arguing for the earth NOT being flat and my opponent will be arguing in favor of the earth being flat. As I said, serious flat earther debaters please. If you are a troll, do not accept. If you plan to play devil's advocate, then take that risk if you must and come up with some compelling arguments.
Round 1
Con
#1
Thanks for accepting the debate. Hopefully you are a serious opponent as the rules say. Good luck.
If the earth was flat, it would effects gravity, time, the seasons and life on earth in many ways.
Gravity
Hypothetical point: Since the earth is supposedly flat, then it must have edges. If the earth is flat, the center of the earth would feel normal, but as you move toward the outer edges of the earth, gravity would begin to push you back towards the center of the earth. Gravity pulls objects toward the center. On a round planet, it pulls you toward the ground, but on a flat planet gravity would pull you toward the center of the flat disc-like earth. This means as you got closer to the edge, it would pull you backward toward the center. It would feel like a sensation of climbing up a steep hill, or perhaps carrying excessive weights. Plant stems also grow opposite to the direction of gravity. If the earth were flat, as you got closer and closer to the edge, plants would begin to grow at an angle. The further away from the center, the more intense the angle plants would grow. If you reach the edge of the disc, would you fall off and into space? No. You wouldn't fall off to space just as you wouldn't on a spherical earth. Gravity keeps you stuck to the earth.
Realistic point: The spherical earth. A person can walk forever on earth, and it will never end. Why? Because 1. The earth is round. 2. Gravity keeps them bound. 3. If the earth was flat, there is no way that a person can continuously walk the earth or jog for miles, because if they reach the edge of the earth they won't be able to continue. There is a marathon runner named Dean Karnazes who basically ran majority of the earth. This is just a taste of what he's done. (1)
- - Ran 350 miles (560 km) in 80 hours and 44 minutes without sleep in 2005
- - Single-handedly completed "The Relay", A 199-mile (320 km) run from Calistoga to Santa Cruz, Eleven times.
- - Ran a marathon to the South Pole in −13 °F (−25 °C) temperatures without snowshoes in 2002
- - Ran a marathon in each of the 50 states in 50 consecutive days in 2006.
That alone effortlessly debunks the earth being flat. If the earth is flat how is he able to run half the world? If the earth is flat, It would be impossible or extremely difficult for him to jog that much.
Time
If the earth were flat, time would also be effected. Currently everyone on earth sees sunrises and sunsets at different times, but if the earth were flat, time zones wouldn't exist. Because of longitude, someone in New York sees the sunrise approximately 3 hours before someone in California and every point in between New York and California the sun rises at a different time. This is because the earth is round. If it were flat, everyone would see the same sunrise and sunset and everyone on earth would set their clocks at the same time.
Seasons
Our seasons would also be drastically different if the earth were flat. Everyone on earth would experience summer, winter, spring and autumn at the same time. You know how when it's summer in the United States it's winter in Australia? This is because the sun's rays which are perfectly parallel strike the earth at different angles during different parts of the year. If the earth were flat, the sun would always strike the earth at the same angle which would mean that everyone on earth would experience the same seasons at the same time of the year.
Lunar Eclipse
We would also not be able to see lunar eclipses in the same way we do now. The shape of our round earth's shadow is what creates the lunar eclipse. If the earth were flat that means there's only one possible orientation that the sun moon earth alignment would create a circular shadow. Lunar eclipses would only occur at a midnight position, but the sun, earth and moon perfectly aligned.
Other planets
Since you think the earth is flat, does that make other planets flat as well? Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune, are all of those flat?
The earth is not flat. It is very round, an almost perfect sphere.
If that didn't convince you or other flat earthers then I don't know what will. Await a response.
Source:
Pro
#2
King_8,
YOUR DECEIVING QUOTE: "By the way (if you're planning to do so) don't include religion in your argument. Let's focus solely at the topic at hand. If you plan to use Christianity then fine, just don't overdo it. The debate is about the earth, not religion. Let's stick with science and facts shall we? Await a response in the debate."
First thing, you DID NOT preface your debate acceptances with the above protocols, but only now perform this act when seeing that I am a TRUE Christian that you are obviously afraid of confronting! For your continued knowledge, the earth was created by Jesus, and for you to posit that the debate is not about religion is laughably incorrect, understood?
I read your comical science mumbo jumbo, and had a good laugh at your expense, thank you. I will stick to Biblical axioms, whereas your ever changing Satanic scientific facts may be useful to you and your equally ignorant friends, but not to Jesus and myself, get it?
Relative to your ungodly propositions that allegedly prove your point, the aforementioned entities that you deceivingly use, are how individuals see them when they are Satanic! Conversly, when TRUE Christians view these same entities, we have to see them as the bible proffers them below, otherwise, we would be going against Jesus' inspired words! 2+2=4.
Biblical words state that Ancient Israel imagined the earth to be a flat disk (Isaiah 42.5) resting on a foundation or pillars (Job 9.6) and surrounded by the ocean (Psalms 24.2; 136.6). The godly earth has four corners proving the planet earth is FLAT (Isaiah 11.12; Ezekekial 7.2; Job 37.3; 38.13) The earth also has an edge (Isaiah 24.36) or so to speak, it has ends (Isaiah 40.8; Job 28.4; Psalms 48.11; Jerimiah 6.22; 25.32).
Most importantly, is Isaiah 40:22 that with specificity states that the earth is a flat circle. “He sits enthroned above the CIRCLE OF THE EARTH, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.” This godly passage DOES NOT state a “sphere, or globe,” does it, but a FLAT CIRCLE? Get it?
Even the alleged top debater "Our_Boat_is_Right" in being a Christian, has to accept the above biblical axioms, otherwise, he might as well leave his chosen faith and join one of the other Abrahamic beliefs!
SIDEBAR: I enjoyed your Freudian Slip where you mentioned the following, to wit: "The earth is not flat. It is very round, ......"
DEFINITION OF THE ADJECTIVE WORD ROUND: a circular piece of a particular substance as "cut the pastry into rounds," WHICH EQUALS FLAT!
Jesus and I await your next Satanic words to the topic at hand to prove that you will be swimming in the sulfur lakes of Hell upon your demise, praise Jesus!
Round 2
Con
#3
It's not a deceiving quote. It's clear as day and understandable but somehow you misunderstood and went full blown Christian on me. You may even be a troll. How unfortunate, I did say serious debaters only. This obviously isn't a religious debate, that's why I didn't add "No religious argument" in the description, it wouldn't have made sense. I typed my comment to you BEFOREHAND so you seen it before you even responded to my argument, hence you quoting what I said. If that was the case, you could have simply followed my rules and not include religion in 99% of your argument but of course you did, meaning you did not follow my rules. 2+2=4? Math has nothing to do with this. The earth is round. The earth is in the shape of a sphere. A sphere is round. A flat disc is not round, it is flat. Yes, it's shape is round but overall, it is flat. Whereas, a sphere earth is definitely more round than the hypothetical flat earth.
If you aren't a troll and if you are serious about this debate, then prove it. I will ask you a series of questions which will be my argument this round. Please answer them to the best of your ability and as accurately as possible. Provide sources if need be. Refrain from the excessive religious arguments. It's annoying. By the way, I'm a Christian.
Questions | My R1 effortlessly debunks the earth being flat so I will just be asking these:
1. Since the earth is flat, I'd like you to give me an estimate of how big you think it is. Give me an accurate circumference. If you can that is.
2. It's seems as though you and many other flat-earthers deny the fact of gravity existing. In your case, let's ignore gravity at the moment pretending as if it doesn't exist for these questions. With gravity being nonexistent, how would things operate?
3a. If the earth is flat why and how have people sailed ships around it twice over without ever falling off?
3b. (Point) It is possible to see the effect of the curvature of the earth from sea level (ships disappearing over the horizon)
4. If the earth is flat, what happens to the oceans? Wouldn't they just spill over the edge?
5. How would seasons work? How would GPS and satellites work on a flat earth?
6. (Point) If you are high enough in an airplane, the curvature of the earth is very apparent. Airplanes overlap the earth.
7. If the earth is flat why has nobody ever been able to find the edge or even document it?
8. If NASA has supposedly faked thousands of images of the round earth, why isn't there even one picture of the edge?
9. Why would so many people be pretending that the earth is round? What benefit of lying about the shape of the earth serve? What exactly would it gain?
10. If the earth is flat, then how are the rest of the planets in the solar system spherical?
11. The earth's layers. The inner core, outer core, mantle and the crust, something of which the spherical earth does have. If the earth is flat, then what's inside the flat earth? Is the inner core still in the center?
Pro
#4
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KING_8,
When I accepted your debate, and seeing that I am a TRUE Christian, I was obviously going to use Jesus’ inspired words for the topic at hand, understood? At this point, you could have saved yourself further embarrassment and walked away, but you didn’t! Therefore, what happens from this point forward as you blaspheme Jesus the Christ is your decision, understood?
Within context, you don’t want me to use the bible regarding that the earth is flat because of its eventful outcome, then in turn, you do not use Satanic Science to help you insidiously prove that the earth is not flat, but an assumed GLOBE, and not “Round” like you stated when you slipped on your Freudian! GET IT?
REMEMBER, my Jesus is watching (Proverbs 5:21-23), therefore I have to follow His inspired word when He states that I, and other Christians, are to defend his faith and precepts at all costs that the earth is flat, do you understand? Huh? Maybe just a little bit?
"We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ," (2 Corinthians 10:5)
YOUR SATANIC QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED AS FOLLOWS:
1. Since the earth is flat, I'd like you to give me an estimate of how big you think it is. Give me an accurate circumference. If you can that is.
MY GODLY ANSWER: Only Jesus, as our Jewish Yahweh god incarnate, knows the specific circumference. Conversely, you do not know the true estimate of how large Jesus’ Milky Way is, because your Satanic Science keeps changing it!
3a. If the earth is flat why and how have people sailed ships around it twice over without ever falling off?
MY GODLY ANSWER: Firstly, I am sure that there is more than two times that ships have sailed the oceans to the other side, agreed? That being said, this is easily done because Jesus allows it: “So Jesus said to him, “Unless you see signs and wonders you will not believe.” (John 4:48)
3b. (Point) It is possible to see the effect of the curvature of the earth from sea level (ships disappearing over the horizon)
MY GODLY ANSWER: The “assumed” curvature of the earth is nothing more than a mirage, or an optical illusion caused by atmospheric conditions.
4. If the earth is flat, what happens to the oceans? Wouldn't they just spill over the edge?
MY GODLY ANSWER: Yes.
5. How would seasons work? How would GPS and satellites work on a flat earth?
MY GODLY ANSWER: By working like they do now because Jesus allows it: "While you stretch out your hand to heal, and signs and wonders are performed through the name of your holy servant Jesus.” (Acts 4:30)
6. (Point) If you are high enough in an airplane, the curvature of the earth is very apparent. Airplanes overlap the earth.
MY GODLY ANSWER: Again, the refraction of light from the sky's atmosphere shows an optical illusion of curvature. This has already been addressed, please do not repeat yourself again.
7. If the earth is flat why has nobody ever been able to find the edge or even document it?
MY GODLY ANSWER: Because when Jesus' creation get to the edge of the earth, they immediately go to the other side without knowing it. “You are the God who works wonders; you have made known your might among the peoples.” (Psalm 77:14)
8. If NASA has supposedly faked thousands of images of the round earth, why isn't there even one picture of the edge?
MY GODLY ANSWER: This is simply because they are looking at the TOP of the ROUND flat earth. Duh.
9. Why would so many people be pretending that the earth is round? What benefit of lying about the shape of the earth serve? What exactly would it gain?
MY GODLY ANSWER: By proving that our bible Jesus God exists when His word states that the earth is flat, H-E-L-L-O, anybody home today?
10. If the earth is flat, then how are the rest of the planets in the solar system spherical?
MY GODLY ANSWER: This is easily addressed that Jesus obviously wanted the earth to stand out amongst his other creations in His planetary system, therefore, he made our living area flat.
11. The earth's layers. The inner core, outer core, mantle and the crust, something of which the spherical earth does have. If the earth is flat, then what's inside the flat earth? Is the inner core still in the center?
MY GODLY ANSWER: Yes
King_8, to be honest, you are going to have too step up your game because I am falling asleep with your juvenile rhetoric, AND I am truly tiring of your insolence towards Jesus and his written word within the scriptures showing that His earth is indeed flat! Notwithstanding, your puerile statements relative to your Satanic Science allegedly showing that the earth is a sphere.
At what point do you come to terms with your blatant ignorance upon this topic? You have yet to understand that Jesus’ words trumps man’s alleged understanding of things in the 21st century. “But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men.” (Acts 5:29)
The TRUE Christian is obligated to follow ALL of the inspired words of our God named Jesus, no matter what is said in his name, where in this case, Jesus states that the earth is FLAT! 2+2=4, oil and water don't mix, and you will spend eternity in the depths of Hell upon your demise for blasphemy towards Jesus!
********* FELLOW CHRISTIANS, YOU CAN SHOUT OUT IN THE COMMENTS SECTION OF THIS DEBATE SHOWING THAT YOU TOO ACCEPT THAT JESUS’ INSPIRED WORDS ARE TRUE WHEN HE STATED THAT THE EARTH IS FLAT! THANK YOU. **********
Round 3
Con
#5
Ignoring all of your religious bullshit, it's annoying. Of course you answered all the questions incorrectly and it was not accurate. You just based them off of Jesus. On to argument.
Being skeptical is important, sure but when the evidence is overwhelming and the science testable and provable there comes to a point where a question has an answer and there's hard hitting facts smack dab in front of your face, And by denying those facts, It is blind-sided. Is the earth flat? No it's not. It is round. The flat earth theory has been debunked time and time again but still many flat- earthers persist with their views. This shouldn't even be a theory.
There's definitely a deeper reason as why people believe in a flat earth, and that has a lot to do with psychology. According to Karen Douglas, a psychologist at the University of Kent, that studies the psychology of conspiracy theories -- Flat earther's conspiracy theories share a basic trust. They present an alternative theory about an important issue or event, and construct a vague explanation for why someone is covering up that true version of events. The power in that conspiracy lies in the fact that they are vague, and they give people a sense of security, control and comfort that they don't otherwise have. Flat-earthers gather in forums, online communities and at conventions to talk about their beliefs. The flat earth society gives them a sense of community. Honestly, what people don't realize is that many flat-earthers say the earth is flat but don't actually believe it, as in it's just one huge joke or a way to get attention. I wonder, are you one of those people? Enlighten me. I'm still convinced that you are either a troll because of your heavily religious argument or you might even be "Our_Boat_is_Right" because oromagi said in the comments "I smell an alt account"
Pro
#6
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KING_8,
YOU SHOWING THAT JESUS’ WORD IS MAKING YOU NERVOUS: “Ignoring all of your religious bullshit, it's annoying. Of course you answered all the questions incorrectly and it was not accurate. You just based them off of Jesus.”
I am truly sorry that Jesus’ word is upsetting you and your perceived comical knowledge that the earth is a globe, and not flat as Jesus proves within the scriptures. Learn a simple fact, and that is just because I didn’t answer your juvenile questions in the way you wanted, it does not preclude that they were wrong to a TRUE Christian, understood?
To the TRUE Christian, there is no need in being “skeptical” because that is for wussy Atheists, where your Satanic Science is always changing more so than not, whereas you have to be skeptical! All a TRUE Christian has to do is read from our God’s word, and accept it without question, and we are done.
No, a biblical flat earth is not a theory to Christians, because we have the word of Jesus as Yahweh God incarnate telling us that it is truly flat as his inspired writings have shown the believer. You are just jealous that you do not have an absolute outcome in science, where it changes from time to time, where we do have an absolute from God! Jealous?
YOUR QUOTE GRASPING FOR STRAWS: “Honestly, what people don't realize is that many flat-earthers say the earth is flat but don't actually believe it, as in it's just one huge joke or a way to get attention. I wonder, are you one of those people? Enlighten me.
What part of me being a TRUE Christian don’t you understand? What part of me telling you that in being a TRUE Christian we have to accept the whole bible in what it says, without any insidious apologetics or hermeneutics, understood? I hate to repeat to my opponent in what has already been said, okay?
YOUR WISHFUL THINKING QUOTE: “…..or you might even be “Our_Boat_is_Right …..”
Surely you jest? The “Tow Boat” doesn’t even come close to my knowledge and talent in getting Jesus’ word to the ignorant masses like yourself. He is a piker, and is who he pretends to be, whereas I am the TRUE Christian that has forgotten more about my bible than other Christians will ever learn from it! Case in point, look at the inept Mr. Franklin, who couldn’t debate his his way out of a broom closet!
King_8, I told you to up your game, remember? Seemingly, your Atheist position is preventing you from doing this because of your science mumbo jumbo is continually getting in your way, therefore, I am growing tired in “schooling you” upon your flat earth topic.
Another thing that you have to understand, is the FACT that you are not going to convince a TRUE Christian that the earth is a GLOBE, because in doing so, we are then calling Jesus a LIAR in the verses He has shown in that the earth is FLAT. Do you understand this simple premise? Therefore, it matters not whether I, or any other Christian, allegedly wins a debate upon topics of this nature, get it? Huh?
I will await your scientific musings once again for comical entertainment purposes only. Thank you.
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Round 4
Con
#7
Nothing else to say. Arguments still stand. You never even rebutted anything. 99% religious arguments. This is a troll, and its probably Our_Boat. By the way I'm not an Atheist I even told you I am a Christian but I don't annoyingly push my opinion on my beliefs to other people as it's counter productive. Thanks for the debate.
Pro
#8
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King_8,
YOUR UNGODLY SATANIC QUOTE: "Nothing else to say. Arguments still stand. You never even rebutted anything. 99% religious arguments. This is a troll, and its probably Our_Boat. By the way I'm not an Atheist I even told you I am a Christian but I don't annoyingly push my opinion on my beliefs to other people as it's counter productive. Thanks for the debate."
I easily rebutted your scientific mumbo jumbo with the direct words of Jesus the Christ, and for you to try and save face amongst your equally bible ignorant friends, you now state that what I proposed isn’t supposed to be worthy because I am alleged a troll? WHAT? The bottom line is whether a troll took you to the cleaners, or a non troll did, the outcome was the same, comprenede?
The most horrifying aspect of your debate is that you claim to be a Christian, in name only, therefore you directly went against Jesus’ words AS SHOWN IN THE THE DIRECT BIBLE PASSAGES IN QUESTION THAT STATE WITH SPECIFICITY THAT THE EARTH IS FLAT! Tell us, where do you get the authority to rewrite the bible into what you want it to be? You are no more a Christian than the late Christopher Hitchens!
“EVERY word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ (Proverbs 30:5)
First off, on your biography page, you are too embarrassed to tell us your chosen acceptances, let alone, in what religion you follow. If you are an “alleged” Christian, then state as such. Don’t you realize that Jesus is watching you being embarrassed about His faith by not stating that you are a Christian? (Proverbs 5:21-23) The comical irony of you allegedly being a Christian, is the fact that you are supposed to defend Jesus’ direct words, but instead, you become Satan incarnate and brutally trash them and say that Jesus was wrong on the earth being flat! Who in the Hell do you think you are as an assumed Christian?
As if your embarrassing position shown above isn’t enough, then you have the audacity to state as an assumed Christian, to wit: “ but I don't annoyingly push my opinion on my beliefs to other people as it's counter productive.” WHAT?! Jesus says you are to defend the faith in the following passages, therefore, do you want to call Jesus a LIAR by not doing so?!
"We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ," (2 Corinthians 10:5)
"He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9)
"He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9)
“Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. (2 Timothy” 4:2)
You have yet to completely understand that when one is a TRUE Christian, then we have to follow ALL, and I repeat, ALL of the precepts and doctrine of the inspired word of Jesus the Christ whether or not we oppose them, or do not like them, period! We do not have the option to usurp Jesus’s words as God incarnate because if we do, then we are committing the UNPARDONABLE SIN! Unfortunately, you have committed the UNPARDONABLE SIN, and the ramifications thereof, with your disparaging words towards Jesus where I am truly sorry in your behalf.
In closing, and in simple terms for you to hopefully understand, you cannot have your cake and eat it too, understood? You cannot be an assumed Christian, then at the same time, slap our Jesus the Christ in the face by stating that he was wrong in promoting that the earth is flat as shown in the direct passages in question.
King_8, you have a lot to learn, and the clock in ticking towards your eventful demise upon Judgment Day.
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Criterion
Con
Tie
Pro
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
This is primarily an honor thing, as it would be shameful for a flat-earther to win a true debate.
HOWEVER, the arguments provided by Con absolutely destroyed the logic of Pro, which can be paraphrased to "A dead guy wants this thing, so therefore the universe will defy all logic to be so."
I have some of my own rebuttals that disprove the arguments by Pro that prove I am not swayed as much as I am with con.
1.) Pro contradicts themselves greatly by continually saying the same thing. Specific examples of this are:
>>Because when Jesus' creation get to the edge of the earth, they immediately go to the other side without knowing it.
So, basically they completed one revolution of the earth. This logic would work at the equator and nowhere else, because the other side would mean that if somebody left Russia and went north, they would they find themselves going north from Antarctica rather than reaching Canada.
>>Firstly, I am sure that there is more than two times that ships have sailed the oceans to the other side, agreed? That being said, this is easily done because Jesus allows it
Basically says that the "Impossible thing" sailing from one side to the other is possible because jesus allows it. It's not jesus, just physics.
2.) Con directly said: The debate is about the earth, not religion. Let's stick with science and facts shall we?, followed by pro basing their ENTIRE ARGUMENT on quotes from the bible that hardly fit.
>>“So Jesus said to him, “Unless you see signs and wonders you will not believe.” (John 4:48)
The context for this quote was a passage about Jesus healing a sick prince, not causing satellites to work correctly. In my opinion, it can't even be applied.
3.) Con was able to, at the end, simply state that his argument still stands and still convince me that he was correct.
Because of these things, it has become an argument similar to 1kg of steel versus 1kg of feathers. Con was able to hit every point quickly and concisely, whereas pro made every reasonable and unreasonable connection to the bible that he could. My final bias, however was an easy argument to make. The earth was discovered to be SPHERICAL in 1492. Also, the universe is always changing behind our backs, therefore science needs to change to catch up. Back in 1492, medicine was still just trying everything that might work and ignoring the mass casualties.
"My godly answer"---"Your ungodly satanic quote"
No need to go all messiah on us, dude, that's a point off for conduct. Pro was very rude to the readers and their opponent, and cannot prove otherwise. They treated Con like an ignorant child rather than the intelligent instigator of an online debate.
Criterion
Con
Tie
Pro
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
Con made several arguments, such as the seasons and gravity ones, that are perfectly valid and were never addressed, much less refuted by Pro.
Pro's arguments consisted of quoting unscientific sources like 'Jesus said the Earth is flat' and stuff of the like. These are incorrect because they are OT quotes, not actually Jesus, and also because they are merely assertions. If Mahatma Gandhi told me that my hair was purple, despite all evidence otherwise, then despite my respect for Mahatma Gandhi, I would not be convinced.
Arguments to Con.
Pro calls Con "ungodly," "Satanic," etc., and was overall ignoring valid arguments to go in for Ad Hominem attacks. Con kept a mostly civil tone and did not use derogatory language, other than calling Pro a "troll," which is a legitimate claim and not derogatory so much as descriptive. This is neither a Mere Insult or Hate Speech under the CoC.
Conduct to Con.
Criterion
Con
Tie
Pro
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
Com laid out clear and concise arguments for his position, relating to gravity, seasons, time and the lunar eclipse.
These points went wholly unrefuted. Directly or indirectly: so these must stand.
In addition: pro offers only A few sparse points related to biblical passages, arguing the appearance of being spherical is down to mirages and optical effects and offers no actual positive support for his position; there is no susbtance to any of the positions and so I must reject cons arguments as being insufficient.
Arguments to con
Pros entire approach was obvious trolling, a deliberate attempt to argue in bad faith, and utterly derailed any semblance of what the debate should have been about. Con attempted to stay on topic initially despite this. Pros behaviour was clearly toxic and antithetical to reasoned debate, and massively disrespectful to his opponent. As a result, Conduct goes to con too
Criterion
Con
Tie
Pro
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
Con has good arguments like Gravity,Time,Seasons,Lunar Eclipse and Other planets.
Pro responds with Biblical verses which is not evidence nor rebuttals to any of Con's points.
Arguments-Con
Sources:Tie
S&P:Tie
Conduct:Pro frequently mentions Con's arguments as "UNGODLY SATANIC" and"DECEIVING"
vote
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>Reported Vote: WaterPhoenix // Mod action: [Removed]
>Points Awarded: 7 points to con
>Reason for Decision: Man, you really gotta feel for these flat-earthers they're a prime example of people believing what they want. Sorry if this isn't a completely fair vote but mate if you took science class you'd know the earth is, according to the laws of physics, round.
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>Reported Vote: Caleb // Mod action: [Removed]
>Points Awarded: 4 points to pro for arguments and conduct
>Reason for Decision: BrotherDThomas please stop using the word of God in this way. You are making the rest of us Christians look bad, not all science is fake and and “satanic”. The verse you used to “prove” the earth is flat can easily be debunked with a proper looking into the word CONTEXT MATTERS. You only gave an argument from authority when it was clearly stated in the debate rules that that was not allowed. Don’t accuse people of satanism and condemn people to hell that is not how the Bible commands us to act. Please work on you conduct and only use arguments like that in purely theological debates.
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Vote Reported: TheAtheist // Mod Action: Removed
Points awarded: 7 to con
RFD: The Pro’s arguments boiled down to: “You are Satanic, my answers are godly.”
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lol, I am debating you and destroying you. Your arguments are horrible
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Vote Reported: Gatorade // Mod Action: Removed
Points awarded: 6 points to pro for arguments, sources, and s/g
RFD: Of course the earth is not flat mo'fu'. Con probably just got mad at Pro for his bullshit arguments.
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Satanic Dr. Franklin,
YOUR COMICAL QUOTE: "I am currently;y debating him with hat topic now-https://www.debateart.com/debates/972"
You are not debating, fool, in said debate the only thing that you are doing is GRASPING FOR THE PROVERBIAL STRAWS, that are not even there anymore! As shown, you give nothing but wishful thinking opinions which ARE NOT absolute facts, that in turn calls Jesus A LIAR! Then, you want to call yourself a Christian? Are you kidding us?
As said before, get your sorry Satanic ass back into the debate and quit HIDING in the comment section of other debates because you are logically realizing that because of your ungodly Satanic positions, you are now seeing your eventful outcome upon Judgment Day!
Are you smelling sulfur yet?!
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I am currently;y debating him with hat topic now-https://www.debateart.com/debates/972
Where in the bible does it say the earth is flat?
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As shown within the debating venue, any Christian that takes the ungodly position of stating that the earth is spherical, therefore voting against the Brother D, are deceivingly anachronistic as they slap our Jesus in the face relative to "the knowledge of the truth" of the earth being flat as proposed ad infinitum within our bible, and though out the historicity of early Christianity! These wannabe Christians will pay upon Judgment Day for sure, praise Jesus' revenge!
“If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,” (Hebrews 10:26)
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Vote Reported: Debaticus // Mod Action: Not Removed
Reason for mod action: The vote was found to be sufficient per the site voting policy standards.
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Satanic Dr. Franklin,
What are you doing HIDING in the comment section of this debate???! Listen up you minion of Satan, get your sorry Satanic a*s back into YOUR DEBATE that YOU MADE FOR ME at the following link, because I haven’t even started to show you to be the most blatant ignorant wannabe Christian fool regarding our bible and the historicity of Christianity on DebateArt, understood?
"The bible never says the earth is flat"
https://www.debateart.com/debates/972
In said debate above, I have easily bludgeoned your Devil Speak in the eyes of Jesus, therefore, you do not have the time to seek refuge in other debate comment sections like you are doing now at your expense, but to "TRY" and finish said debate, understood? Maybe? Yes?
Your ROUND 2 is running short of time for you, DO NOT RUN AWAY, or I will make sure you will never live it down, get it?
I WILL BE WAITING AT YOUR EXPENSE AGAIN!!!
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Fucking retard, he was removing a vote
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Virtuoso,
With you mentioning the following: "The earth is flat is a retarded debate," is being totally anachronistic. What is precluded today, and what was godly fact 2000-6000 years ago is black and white. You cannot deny that accent Hebrew tradition was that the earth was flat, therefore this debate is NOT retarded! Besides, you would be calling your traditional Hebrew faith a disparaging term.
Your biography is spot on with mine, praise Jesus!
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Vote Reported: Bazza97125 // Mod Action: Removed
Points awarded: 4 points to pro for sources/sg
RFD: The earth is flat is a retarded debate
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Its funny that you really somehow think our arguments are tied lmfao it's clear as day who the winner of the debate is. By the way, this debate and in the BLM debate, your votes might get deleted by mods, because your reasoning is insufficient and does not follow up with the code of conduct. Just giving you a heads up so you won't be surprised.
"The earth is flat is a retarded debate" Well there are people who think the earth is flat so it has became a debatable topic. My R1 alone wins this whole debate and it easily debunks the flat earth theory yet you put me and my opponent's arguments as "tied" lol and btw, my opponent never even rebutted any of my claims effectively. He trollishly used religion.
notice u completely ingored my rebut because you got demolished lmaooo
Sorry I have been busy, I will type something up after my school day is finished
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Dr. Franklin,
Why are you wasting your time in this thread? You have a debate that YOU STARTED FOR ME at the following link:
https://www.debateart.com/debates/972
You stated that I was an idiot at the onset OF THE DEBATE THAT YOU STARTED shown above, but at this time, you are the IDIOT for spending time other than the debate above where I am easily making you the fool and a minion of Satan! Are you RUNNING AWAY again from a debate, even your own debate?
NO, I am not 21stCenturyIconoclast, although I have debated him a few times around the internet Religion forums, and I have to admit, I have used a few of his statements, words, and "periods" to extend the dialog past images from the top to bottom of a page which is a great idea. I also use some of his statements because they are appropriate to Christians like you that DO NOT follow ALL of the Bible and expect to be a Christian. Here, let me give you an example, "Dr. Franklin, you are a pseudo-christian, and I am a TRUE Christian for following ALL of our Jesus' inspired words, GET IT?"
You challenged me to YOUR DEBATE, https://www.debateart.com/debates/972, therefore, I accepted and suggest you get back into round 2 where at this time you are RUNNING AWAY from your own debate!!!
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Now, quit embarrassing yourself in front of the members of DebateArt, and get into the debate that you started shown above, because my first round in this debate of yours in only the first round of your total embarrassment here on DebateArt!!!
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Yeah and he said psuedo-Christian. Hes def Iconolcast
Sorry if I went against the rules
That's because that's who he is. Notice the period he types before any of the words to format his comments, coupled with the exact same structure and capitalization/exaggeration for emphasis. When you consider all these things together it is virtually impossible that it isn't him, or at least someone seriously committed to impersonating him.
All of this said, I'm not sure whether exposing peoples non-personal other site identities is against the rules for doxxing.
You know who I get reminded everytime BrotherDThomas say "YOU IGNORANT QOUTE", " YOU REVEALING QOUTE "OR something QOUTE? I get reminded of 21stcenturyconoclast who does the same thing in debate.org.. I am wondering if this guy and 21stcenturyconoclast are the same or are at least linked somehow .... No offence BrotherDThomas.. My apologies if you take any offence.
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Vote Reported: // Mod Action: Removed
Points awarded: 3 points to pro for arguments
RFD: Troll debate
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Vote Reported: JasonGrace // Mod Action: Removed
Points awarded: 4 points to con for arguments and conduct
RFD: Con had strong convincing arguments like how "if the earth was flat, it would effect gravity, time, the seasons and life on earth in many ways" whereas Pro responded with a lot of religious statements. Both Con and Pro provided reliable sources and both of them had good spelling and grammar. Pro often talked ill-mannered about Con's arguments by calling Con's arguments/questions; "DECEIVING QUOTE", "SATANIC QUESTIONS" and "UNGODLY SATANIC QUOTE". As a result, Con had better conduct.
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I can confirm that from any quote xD, he thought I was talking about you lolol
LOL I was talking about you dude
" it is called CONTRADITION, get it? Shhhhh, our bible is full of them, mums the word, shhhhhh...."
Yeah I can confrim this dude to be a troll by this quote
You ignored the other things I said.
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Speedrace,
YOUR REVEALING QUOTE: "It’s people like this that scare people from Christianity *sigh*"
You are correct in your thinking, but "Our_Boat_is_Right" isn't going to be changing anytime soon. :(
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Our_Boat_is_Right,
YOUR REVEALING QUOTE: "You choose these verses but ignore all of the Bble's other verses that strictly prohibit aborion."
Regarding your quote, do the simple math, then it is called CONTRADITION, get it? Shhhhh, our bible is full of them, mums the word, shhhhhh....
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It’s people like this that scare people from Christianity *sigh*
Yeah lol
Lol yeah im 99% sure I'm not in an alternate universe where my alt account is broDThomas...lol
It was God's just punishment for their wrongdoings. Generally, God is against abortion. God's specific intervention caused the termination of that baby, what planned parenthood is doing is not God's plan. It is only by God's will people will terminate their babies because of wrongdoings. Not ours. You choose these verses but ignore all of the Bble's other verses that strictly prohibit aborion.
Ouch, Our_Boat isn't that crazy xD
Ok, yeah im sure ill get destroyed
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Dr. Franklin,
Why of course I will accept your Satanic debate towards Jesus the Christ! Unfortunately for you, I will easily show you committing the UNPARDONABLE SIN, where upon your demise, you will be swimming in the burning lakes of Hell, Praise Jesus!
When the debate finishes, you will start smelling sulfur because of your blaspheme against our Savior, Jesus the Christ!
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King_8,
YOUR UNFORTUNATE QUOTE: "First off I'm not a kid, secondly I don't have time for your BS so stfu. Like I said I don't have to put anything on my bio to please you. I know what I am. Me not putting anything by religion is not a sin."
First thing, do not be a Troll by you using child-like epithets because Trolls are looked down upon in this forum. Secondly, putting your Christian faith into your bio should NOT be to please me, but to please Jesus the Christ! When you don't, it's like you are embarrassed about Jesus' true modus operandi as shown below, or Christianity altogether.
Remember, you are to follow Jesus' word to the fullest extent, as shown in the passage below, this includes your biography page.
"Praise the Lord! Praise God in his sanctuary; praise him in his mighty heavens! Praise him for his mighty deeds; praise him according to his excellent greatness! Praise him with trumpet sound; praise him with lute and harp! Praise him with tambourine and dance; praise him with strings and pipe! Praise him with sounding cymbals; praise him with loud clashing cymbals! ..." (Psalm 150:1-6)
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Our_Boat_is_Right,
YOUR QUOTE ACCEPTING THAT JESUS IS A MURDERER OF INNOCENT FETUS,’ PRAISE!: “So in this series of scripture, I read the Bible saying that violently ripping the unborn from the womb is a just and worthy retribution if their parents were considered to have rebelled against God.”
Our_Boat_is_Right, finally, you just may be a TRUE Christian like myself for admitting that our beloved Jesus, as God incarnate in the book of Hosea, is in fact, a brutal murderer of the innocent unborn! (Hosea 9: 11-16) Thank you for your honesty, praise!
In the beginning it was hard for me to accept that our Jesus was a brutal murderer, especially of innocent zygotes, fetus,’ and babies, but I finally gave in to his true modus operandi within the scriptures, because who am I to usurp the truth about our Jesus? We just have to move on with this unfortunate knowledge of our Savior the best way we can, agreed?
Don’t forget in your passages next time, that our Jesus actually went through and murdered the innocent unborn within the Ephraim woman’s womb, and if the women brought forth a child, Jesus slayed that child as well in Hosea 9:16.
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AS EXPLICITLY SHOWN, “OUR_BOAT_IS_RIGHT” AND “MYSELF” ARE ON RECORD ADMITTING THAT
OUR JESUS IS A BRUTAL MURDERER OF THE INNOCENT UNBORN!
Therefore, subjectively, who are we to be against abortion when our Jesus set an example and performed this brutal act in the book of Hosea. At least in the USA, the Family Planning Clinics won’t rip out the unborn, or actually slay them after they are born, like Jesus did in the book of Hosea, whew!
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First off I'm not a kid, secondly I don't have time for your BS so stfu. Like I said I don't have to put anything on my bio to please you. I know what I am. Me not putting anything by religion is not a sin.
Are you going to accept my debate?
For God's sake.. This is a debate site not a arguing site... Keep your cool every one.... Calling Each other trolls does make you a genius? No. Smart? No... You are turning into one.. First you will reply nicely then the reply gets ruder by every reply... I know that I am not someone to speak cx I am not perfect.. Neither are you.... Just becx he or she doesn't agree with you doesn't mean to be rude.. Be nice instead. Be reasonable. You are adults not teenagers like me or kids! So treat others the way you wanted to be treated... You wouldn't like it if you were called a troll, would you? So be kind, reasonable and nice.
"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb."- Psalm 139
This is just one verse among many that concludes according to God, abortion is wrong.
In the book of Hosea, we have the prophet relaying a message from God, saying what will happen to the Israelites who had rebelled as punishment for their transgressions. In Hosea 9:14, we are told God will cause the deaths of the unborn, as he will “give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.” In Hosea 13:16 it is proclaimed:
“Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.”
In Isaiah 7:20 and 10:5, it is stated that the Assyrians will be used by God as the means of implementing these punishments. In 2 Kings it describes how they fulfilled this role:
8:12 And Hazael (future king of Syria) said, Why weepeth my lord? And he (Elisha) answered, Because I know the evil that thou wilt do unto the children of Israel: their strong holds wilt thou set on fire, and their young men wilt thou slay with the sword, and wilt dash their children, and rip up their women with child.
15:16 (Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him, therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.
So in this series of scripture, I read the Bible saying that violently ripping the unborn from the womb is a just and worthy retribution if their parents were considered to have rebelled against God.
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Our_Boat_is_Right,
When I stated that you turned into a TROLL by its true definition, and you did not respond in kind, the only answer then is that you agreed that you have turned into a troll! Thank you for your honesty for a change. Therefore, you are against trolls as stated, but then you turned into one, this is quite an irony, isn't it?
When talking about abortion LIKE YOU DID, and with abortion being in the news of late, then why did you bring it forth knowing that it is at the head of all news casts? Therefore, you were the impetus of politically bringing abortion to the forefront! Priceless hypocrisy on your part.
SIDEBAR: You still remain eerily silent to our Yahweh/Jesus enacting abortions upon the women of Ephraim in our Jesus' book of Hosea, and slaying them if they do survive by being born outside of the womb. Are you too embarrassed, as usual, to respond to this biblical axiom? Huh?
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I sent you a challenge
Dr. Franklin,
YOUR COMMITMENT QUOTE: "you know what, fuck it, it will be a easy win anyway"
Barring the fact that you are continually showing us that you are the true definition of an internet TROLL, I am glad that your quote states that you want to debate your biblical ignorance, praise Jesus. Do you want me to set up the debate, or do you want to do it? I am trying to help you in any way that I can, because it is going to be a bloodbath at your expense! Be forewarned, I will not be holding back in showing your outright blatant ignorance of our Christianity, do you understand? Yes?
Dr. Franklin, no more RUNAWAY excuses, no more pretending that you are a Christian, no more hiding behind a faith where you are no more a Christian than an Atheist is, understood? Now, put up, or shut up in the name of Satan!
DebateArt members are now watching your decision, will you RUN AWAY, or stand ground to be made the hypocritical wannabe Christian that you are?
WAITING!
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