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3
1465
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Topic
#5565

There is a possibility that Savant is not actually human

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Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Winner
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After 3 votes and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...

Owen_T
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Contender / Con
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1500
rating
10
debates
30.0%
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Description

He could be a robot, alien, ect.

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@SocraticGregarian96

> pretty obvious. when caseyrisk said "I think it was pretty clear from the outset that this was intended to be a humorous debate and not meant to be taken seriously. Despite this, Con, perhaps trying to game the system, took it dead seriously. If someone goes into a serious debate and tries to turn it purely into a comedy/troll one without making any serious arguments, I don't think that should be rewarded. I think the converse is also true - trying to turn a comedic debate into a completely logical/rational one should not be rewarded either. In my eyes, the win can only go to Pro.” rubbish.

Not normally a moderated vote, but piggybacking someone elses falls short of even the lowered standards for this, as does counter vote bombs... Just vote on the debate, and ignore the other votes as best you can.

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@LogicalDebater01
@Casey_Risk
@Owen_T

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>Reported Vote: Casey // Mod action: Not Removed (non-moderated debate)
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>Points Awarded: 1 to pro
>Reason for Decision: See Votes Tab.
>Reason for Mod Action:

This debate clearly falls into one or more category of non-moderated debates, and the vote does not seem to be cast in malice. Therefore, no intervention is merited.
https://info.debateart.com/terms-of-service/voting-policy#non-moderated-debates

Also for this type of debate, it was a good detailed vote.
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I thing LogicalDebater01 may actually be Trump in disguise.

Like someone read this:
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"When it comes to debating what’s possible and what’s not I think the win will most often than not go to the person arguing as PRO regardless of the debate being serious or not. Absolute knowledge is very hard to prove for basic things that we experience let alone for something like this.

PRO states that there is a possibility that Savant is not human and is a robot/bot/AI (along with other more unrealistic beings).

Now I think in 2024, the existence of AI is pretty common knowledge and advanced AIs have wide range of capabilities. PRO states that there is no evidence that Savant is human based on the lack of personal information we have about him (true but in my opinion wont change anything even if we had it because the information could be fake). This is a weak argument but it serves its purpose to just present the idea that the possibility exists and from now on I don’t know how CON could have even proven absolute certainty.

CON’s whole argument is based on Captcha and that if Savant is a member of the website he had to pass it which proves that he is a human.

The obvious problem as PRO mentioned is that bots and AIs are capable of passing through those captchas pretty easy. I don’t really need sources for that claim because I consider it common knowledge. PRO still provides sources tho with studies done on this topic that clearly state that bots are capable of passing through captcha with high accuracy.

CONs rebuttal to PROs arguments is solely focused on sources and that they are not reliable and “seem ridiculous”. I don’t see however how CON justified those claims.

CON: “because it starts with "study shows"”
“Its from 2013”
“Argument from authority”

“Are you smarter than a robot? Study finds bots better than us at passing CAPTCHA tests”

- I don’t see a problem with how this article starts. Sure the author of the article might’ve missed an “A” infront of “study” but he wasn’t the one who did the experiments and it’s laughable that CON tries to dismiss a whole article because of a missing “A” and not engage with the actual content.
The articles contained the actual studies done and experiments made by scientists which prove PROs claims.

Only one source was from 2013, the others were from 2023. Even if all were from 2013 that means nothing. CONs objection is that captcha has been improved since then and? AI has been improved too arguably way more than anything else. And where is CONS source that captcha has been improved? Based on PRO sources AI can still pass captcha today.

His other objection is that one of the articles is making “an argument from authority” but fails in that (which is good if they were making one lol). In the article there were many scientists quoted not only the one he couldn’t find and there were also linking the studies done which is way more important.

Another interesting thing from the same article, that debunks the idea that captcha has evolved so much:

“But there’s a problem with designing better CAPTCHAs: They have a built-in ceiling. “If it is too difficult, people give up,” Cengiz Acartürk, a cognition and computer scientist at Jagiellonian University in Kraków, Poland, tells Inverse.
Acartürk and his colleagues conducted a 2021 study in which they scanned the brains of volunteers…”

(They also link the study done so its not argument from authority which CON still doesn’t know what it is).

Those are also interesting statements from CON:

“Sure, there is a 0.0000...1% chance”

“Just because a possibility of something is given…”

Well if CON agrees the possibility is given and theres a small chance (doesn’t matter how small) the debate is won for PRO. But that part of the debate is not too significant for my decision since legibility was not great and somewhat confusing.

CON also very desperately tried to defend Captcha with nothing but assertions that it proves someone is human “regardless of anything”. This phrase “regardless of anything” and “please understand that it works regardless of anything” has been repeated like 200 times and CON just doesn’t understand that you can’t say something works regardless of anything even when someone shows you a direct example of that failing its purpose. Just because something passed captcha and is human ACCORDING TO CAPTCHA does not make it a human. AI doesn’t turn into human once it passes captcha just because captcha thinks that was a human.

“There is no flaw in this, please understand."- sad attempt to save his case without actually acknowledging the flaws of captcha presented to him."
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It seriously has so many flaws, holy shit.
I'm convinced that baggins is a walking low-functioning robot at this point.

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@baggins

Your vote is schizo.

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@whiteflame

A voter is spreading a contagious parasitic disease called "cooties" through internet by having the vote displayed in "votes" section of the website. It must immediately be exterminated by deleting the atrocity of the contagious parasitic disease (this is through deleting the vote).

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@Casey_Risk

Delete the atrocity in the votes. Clearly Pro has stated that this is no laughing matter.

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@Casey_Risk

What is the cancer my eyes are seeing in votes?

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@Moozer325

The threat of a space lizard spy is no laughing matter.

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@Moozer325

The threat of a space lizard spy is no laughing matter.

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@Owen_T

This debate is hilarious.

I am the one cooking now

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@Owen_T

I'm cooking, hold on.

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@LogicalDebater01

There is a possibility a robot lizard is spying on us. Is that a joked to you?!

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@Owen_T

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrIFInKjZ80&ab_channel=bikashsaikia95

This has to be a meme debate.