Instigator / Pro

ihadsexok

1493

rating

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35.29%

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Topic

#4864

jerking off is gay

Status

Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics

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After 2 votes and with 6 points ahead, the winner is...

Average_Person

Tags

masturbation

homosexuality

gay

Dick

jerking off

Parameters

Publication date: 08.19.2023 12:29AM
Last updated date: 10.03.2023 04:06PM
Type: Rated
Number of rounds: 5
Time for argument: One week
Max argument characters: 10,000
Voting period: One month
Point system: Multiple criterions
Voting system: Open
Minimal rating: None

Contender / Con

Average_Person

1516

rating

debates

82.0%

won

Description

youre touching your own dick to get yourself hard. that is gay. you lose

Round 1

ihadsexok

08.19.2023 06:36PM

Pro

theres no argument. its really quite simple. stroking your dick is gay. youre touching a dick because youre horny. thats gay. they killed jesus for telling the truth

Average_Person

08.19.2023 07:04PM

Con

Gay: "of, relating to, or characterized by sexual or romantic attraction to people of one's same sex".

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gay

You have to be attracted to other people of the same sex (in this case, male) to be gay.

Not everyone who jerks off is gay, as not everyone is attracted to the same sex.

Case is closed.

Round 2

ihadsexok

08.19.2023 09:10PM

Pro

You have to be attracted to other people of the same sex (in this case, male) to be gay.

By stroking your dick, you are showcasing an attraction to it, hence making you gay. Why do you have to stroke it? Do what I do and just push through hands-free. But no, you had to go the extra mile and caress your penis. You can get the results you desire without having to involve contact with your dick, and yet your infatuation with stroking it prevents you from doing so since you are in love with this aspect of men, hence making you gay.

Average_Person

08.20.2023 10:54AM

Con

By stroking your dick, you are showcasing an attraction to it, hence making you gay

Refer to the definition of gay again:

Gay: "of, relating to, or characterized by sexual or romantic attraction to people of one's same sex".

Your dick is not a separate person (attraction to "people"), therefore, it is impossible to be gay with your own dick.

Round 3

ihadsexok

08.20.2023 06:54PM

Pro

Your dick is not a separate person (attraction to "people"), therefore, it is impossible to be gay with your own dick.

The dick is a male body part, and by showing an attraction to the dick, you are showing attraction to men. Women don't have dicks (although these days, they certainly try to).

Average_Person

08.20.2023 08:41PM

Con

The dick is a male body part, and by showing an attraction to the dick, you are showing attraction to men.

I said SEPARATE PERSON. You are jerking off with your own dick, how can you be gay with yourself?

Good try strawmanning my own argument.

Round 4

ihadsexok

08.20.2023 09:07PM

Pro

Good try strawmanning my own argument.

first of all, saying "muh strawman" is not an argument no matter what your 80 year old speech and debate teacher tells you

I said SEPARATE PERSON

your infatuation with separate men leads to your infatuation with your own male body part

You are jerking off with your own dick, how can you be gay with yourself?

you're looking at it wrong. these connections may seem nonsensical to you because youre not smart and youre confined by what you feel is supposed to be and not what actually is

Average_Person

08.27.2023 01:49PM

Con

first of all, saying "muh strawman" is not an argument no matter what your 80 year old speech and debate teacher tells you

Simply put, your argument is invalid and that by itself is a good counter-argument/refutation. Pro has yet to give an actual argument.

your infatuation with separate men leads to your infatuation with your own male body part

I don't? It's also to satisfy one's sexual needs, if they can't get a girlfriend.

you're looking at it wrong. these connections may seem nonsensical to you because youre not smart and youre confined by what you feel is supposed to be and not what actually is

So Pro basically gave up on this debate and refuses to provide an actual argument.

Round 5

ihadsexok

09.03.2023 01:49PM

Pro

Forfeited

Average_Person

09.03.2023 04:06PM

Con

#10

k..

Barney

09.06.2023 04:01AM

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Yesterdaystomorrow

08.25.2023 12:13AM

"of, relating to, or characterized by sexual or romantic attraction to people of one's same sex".

It does not say 'Another person of same sex.'
It simply says 'people of one's same sex.'
If one is a person, and they show attraction to themselves, that surely qualifies.

Given:
- Masturbation is doing a sexual activity with oneself
- One is masturbating at their free will (They have an attraction to the act)
Therefore:
- Masturbation shows that one is sexually attracted to oneself.
- Masturbation is gay.

Yesterdaystomorrow

08.25.2023 12:13AM

"of, relating to, or characterized by sexual or romantic attraction to people of one's same sex".

It does not say 'Another person of same sex.'
It simply says 'people of one's same sex.'
If one is a person, and they show attraction to themselves, that surely qualifies.

Barney

08.19.2023 11:26PM

Depends if you identify as male or female.

Barney

09.06.2023 04:24AM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

Legibility: Too many missing or incorrect punctuation marks, and missing capitalization.
Conduct: Pro forfeiture a round, and needlessly went into ad hominem attacks (insulting con's intellect for not agreeing with him).

Arguments:
Pro implies a syllogism of if you like to stroke dicks, you're a homosexual man; therefore those who stroke at least one, are homosexual men. This is very simplistic but a mildly entertaining bit of humor.

Con pulls a definition, and declares that you must be attracted to other people in order to be gay (which was not within the definition). Pro counters this with the act of stroking a dick is implying sexual attraction to it. Con insists you must be attracted to people plural. ... This continues back and forth, without any evolution.

Regarding the accusation of strawmanning I don't buy it. Pro repeated the same weak argument he had been making, without twisting anything about con's which is needed for the fallacy to occur. Pro defended that merely calling something a strawman is not in itself a sensible argument related to the resolution.

While pro could have done a much better job (for example, show monogamous people as still being sexually attracted to each other, to prove that attraction to one person can define sexual preferences), I understand his (weak) case.
Con likewise could have done much better (show that most people are classified as straight in spite jacking off, so even if doing a gay activity they are at most bi), with his case resting on a single definition which leaves it ambiguous along with calling pro's case a strawman of his own case.

Redpilled

09.04.2023 03:12AM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

Pros argument makes no sense