Abortion is murder

Just gave the receipts with my prior comment below and proved you wrong, but I'm done here. Deuces.

What I said: "Abortion: the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy."
What you said: "You conveniently left off the second half, which is the part that I was referring to as being factually inaccurate."

Literal proof right there that all 3 of my quotes you said and labeled "Proven liar" is a lie. I just proved above that YOU brought up the second half of the definition first in which you said that's what you were referring to, but it's literally irrelevant to the debate.

@Devon
ALL PROVEN!
Need me to go through the comments and provides receipts, yet again!?!
Better yet, I will let the members/readers decide for themselves.

Keep replying, it just serves to prove what an intellectual coward you are.

Oh, and a poster child for the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Adieu

All non proven 🤣

Murder is what I said in my definition in R1. You also said the same definition. If it's not the full definition how come you didn't use it? Lol you're full of shit. Can't even say the full definition.

@Devon
"Like I said the debate is about whether or not abortion is murder. You made it about how long it takes within the weeks for abortion."
~ Proven Liar.

"YOU made it about that in the comments."
~ Proven Liar.

"I never mentioned that in my debate because that's irrelevant towards the debate."
~ Proven Liar.

"What's the complete definition of murder then? How come you didn't use it then since you're so smart? Lmfao exactly. Again, nitpicking."
~ Look it up for yourself, clown child.

Like I said the debate is about whether or not abortion is murder. You made it about how long it takes within the weeks for abortion. YOU made it about that in the comments. I never mentioned that in my debate because that's irrelevant towards the debate.

What's the complete definition of murder then? How come you didn't use it then since you're so smart? Lmfao exactly. Again, nitpicking.

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@Devon
"And that's your inaccurate opinion if you think I lack knowledge/ignorant of the subject."

~ No, that's observable fact given your piss poor attempt to argue the issue in this debate.

"So that's what you were referring to in the definition, okay, but that's beside the point. The debate is simply about whether or not abortion is murder. Not how long abortions are performed. That's why I left that part out as the core meaning of abortion is the termination of a pregnancy. 14 weeks, 28 weeks whatever. It's within the 28-week window. You proved nothing."

~ And yet you were the one who interjected how long abortions are performed. Nice attempt at backpedaling. Fail.
If 84-94% of ALL abortions are before 14 weeks, doubling that to 28 is a gross error on your part. Them's the facts. I proved your wrong. And you keep proving what an intellectual coward you are.

""most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy" is from google. If you have an issue with the definition then take that up with the CEO of google."

~ No, not how it works. It just shows how sad your research skills are, believing everything you read on the internet without validating and cross-referencing other others for more accurate data. Hope you never consider becoming a journalist. But if you do, I hear CNN is hiring.

"If my murder definition is incomplete, then so is yours by that logic because both of our murder definitions are literally the same. That is the complete definition of murder, you're just nitpicking. Again, you proved nothing."

~ Yes, it is incomplete. You clearly know nothing of strategizing.

"Your weird behavior and insecurity knows no bounds, grandpa. Please seek mental help."

~ What, are you a psychologist now! LOL!!! Intellectual Coward hypocrite childish loser.

Sure

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Would you be interested in joining? You could be a participant or spectator (Judge.)

And that's your inaccurate opinion if you think I lack knowledge/ignorant of the subject.

So that's what you were referring to in the definition, okay, but that's beside the point. The debate is simply about whether or not abortion is murder. Not how long abortions are performed. That's why I left that part out as the core meaning of abortion is the termination of a pregnancy. 14 weeks, 28 weeks whatever. It's within the 28-week window. You proved nothing.

"most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy" is from google. If you have an issue with the definition then take that up with the CEO of google.

If my murder definition is incomplete, then so is yours by that logic because both of our murder definitions are literally the same. That is the complete definition of murder, you're just nitpicking. Again, you proved nothing.

Your weird behavior and insecurity knows no bounds, grandpa. Please seek mental help.

@Devon

""Pro demonstrated their lack of the requisite knowledge of the subject material to even have this debate." <<< called me dumb without calling me dumb. You were being indirect with calling me dumb."

~ LOL!!! Saying another lacks knowledge =/= calling them dumb; in context, it's referring to their lack of the requisite education/knowledge of the subject. In other words, you're ignorant of the subject matter. Nowhere in that statement of mine am I calling you "dumb." Reading comprehension matters. Understanding linguistics (e.g., context, semantics, etc.) matters.

From your debate: "Abortion: the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy." You conveniently left off the second half, which is the part that I was referring to as being factually inaccurate. The majority of abortions are performed before 14 weeks gestation, not 28 weeks. Abortions are never deliberate, they are contemplated, and a choice is made. Using "deliberate" in the context abortion appears as though the girl/woman is doing something illegal. You're wrong. Own it.

From your debate: "Murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another." That is an incomplete definition, and when something is incomplete, it is not entirely accurate.

"And you demonstrated that you're a very sad pathetic individual who thrives off drama on the internet because you're unhappy with your own empty life."

Your psychological projection and intellectual cowardice knows no bounds, child.

"Pro demonstrated their lack of the requisite knowledge of the subject material to even have this debate." <<< called me dumb without calling me dumb. You were being indirect with calling me dumb.

Any person with common sense knows that those definitions of abortion and murder are correct. You used those same definitions in your debate in your description as well - same with many other people do in debates. I guess that makes us all wrong then according to you. Did YOU cite a source to back them up? No, you didn't. https://www.debateart.com/debates/4531-abortion-is-not-murder (Description) The hypocrisy is evident.

My definitions:
Abortion: the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy
Murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another

Your definitions:
Abortion: induced termination of a pregnancy
Murder: when one human being unlawfully kills another human being

Slightly different wording but the same definitions in which you never cited a source. A source isn't really needed for definitions. They typically come from dictionary.com or google etc. So you saying my definitions are wrong is actually hilarious because it shows how dumb you are and it shows that your definitions are wrong too then by your logic.

And you demonstrated that you're a very sad pathetic individual who thrives off drama on the internet because you're unhappy with your own empty life.

@Devon
I never called you “dumb,” that’s a flat out lie.
I wasn’t rude. I was direct. Big difference.
Your definition. We’re incorrect and you didn’t even cite a source to back each one up.
You failed miserably and demonstrated that you possess the emotional and intellectual temperament of a precocious little child.

It was very rude. You could have just said I lost originally. That's within the terms, but you know good and well you were being rude by calling me dumb. You're actually the dumb one because in your RFD you claim my definitions are factually incorrect when no, they are in FACT correct. You're the dumb one here like I said, but your opinion is your opinion.

"sooner or later your curiosity will get the best of you, and you'll see me putting YOU in your place."

Curious about what lmfao after this back and forth I'm no longer interacting with you anymore as you'll be ignored. You can never put me in my place, I actually put you in yours that's why you're so upset.

"But hey, Whiteflame wanted actual reasons from conduct within the debate, fine, I gave them in more detail."

Should've done that in the first place, instead your prior RFD came off personal rather than a professional RFD, but this is long overdue and idc anymore and idc about your RFD so I'll neither enjoy it or pay it any mind. Makes me feel no type of way. And I'm not a child. Have a good day

@Devon

My vote wasn’t rude. It wasn’t laced with profanity. It wasn’t childish. It was appropriately short, sweet and to the point. You lost. Epically.

But hey, Whiteflame wanted actual reasons from conduct within the debate, fine, I gave them in more detail. Enjoy the constructive criticism, child.

Lol now you look stupid. 😂 That's all my issue was since the very beginning, it was your RFD, so don't twist it as something else. It came off childish and super personal. Now it's better, you could've done that at the start. I'm not saying you have to agree with me but what's not gonna happen is me getting blatantly disrespected. Btw I didn't report your vote, but it had all rights to get reported. "I got reported so how about you report him" such elementary behavior. Can't believe you act this way at your big age lmfao but I'm the 5 year-old. I took accountability for my actions in private. That's the difference between me and you, I can admit when I'm wrong. Now where was I? Oh, back to paying you dust, have fun being mad.

Here we go again. More asinine reasoning for removal of a legit vote that you cannot disprove.

Fine. I’ll vote again. And give very specific criticism that Devon will fly off the handle with yet again with more vulgarities. How about you censor or admonish him for such childish unbecoming behavior for DART. Eh!

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>Reported Vote: TWS1405_2 // Mod action: Removed
>Voting Policy: info.debateart.com/terms-of-service/voting-policy
>Points Awarded: 6 points to Con (Arguments, Sources, Legibility)
>Reason for Decision:
Pro began with a false premise and ended with a false conclusion. More importantly, Pro demonstrated their lack of the requisite knowledge of the subject material to even have this debate.
Con did not have to argue much to dispel the weak and unsubstantiated position of Pro.
This was a no brainer. Con prevailed.
>Reason for Mod Action:
The voter does not explain the reasoning for awarding Legibility.
The reason provided for awarding Arguments is insufficiently explained. The voter imposes their views on the debate to dismiss one side's arguments and then says that the other side did enough to win without pointing to any specific arguments either side made.
The reason provided for awarding Sources is insufficiently explained. The voter simply says that one side lacked "the requisite knowledge of the subject material" without any discussion of either sides' sources.
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I like Eminem I think he's extremely talented, I don't listen to him though. I guess that doesnt really make sense haha but I do know his popular songs and will listen to them if it plays on the radio. I love Eminem's cyphers.

RECEIPTS:
My first comment here, and it wasn't even directed at you: -->
~ @DeonM
A fetus is NOT [a] human being (ie - a person). It is only human in origin (biological and physiological makeup)
Murder is an already born human being taking the life of another already born human being.
Human beings (ie - a person) have legal rights, privileges and equal protections of the law - a pregnancy DOES NOT!
You are just as incorrect as Pro is/was in their debate.

Then along comes @Devon, the epitome of maturity, intellect and demonstrating their command of the English language: -->
~@<<<TWS1405_2>>>
Lol bitch fuck you and your vote and your comment as well. If you wanna (sic) believe a fetus is not a human and that abortion isnt (sic) murder (sic) then great. If you want to believe I'm dumb and lack knowledge per my debate (sic) then awesome. I don't give a shit, (sic) you can fuck off. Get a brain and learn to make an elaborate RFD like the other two did, instead you wanna (sic) have a smart mouth and come at me sideways. Well (sic) I can reach that energy too. If someone killed a pregnant woman that would be considered double homicide due to her and the baby, was the baby not murdered because it was a fetus inside her stomach? I'll wait (sic)

I then call you out for your sophomoric banality, and YOU then retort in the same and consistent mannerism:
~ @<<<TWS1405_2>>>
Miss me with the nonsense, I say what I want [[[especially if a lowlife disrespects (sic) me first.]]] Don't act like you never cussed not one time in your life. [[[You were being vulgar and rude first.]]] You just used a whole bunch of big words in your RFD to sound intelligent but you were being rude (sic) so I returned that same energy and now you cant (sic) handle it. Its (sic) cool when they do it, its (sic) a problem when I do it lmaoooo.

"legal victim" (sic) and NOT "[a] human being." - Same thing. Human being. But I didn't debate with you so I couldn't care less. You have your opinion.

I do very well know the topic. I would send links for proof from debate.org but sadly the website doesn't exist anymore, but I had numerous abortion debates on there and even won some of them. Even played both sides and devil's advocate. I was referring me having several debates about abortion on debate.org, not debateart. (sic) But you don't know me from a can of paint so idgaf what you think. Piss poor attitude? Oh (sic) I'm sorry that you want me to be happy go lucky and kiss your ass after you literally disrespected me FIRST on your RFD.

Yeah (sic) I made a SECOND comment which was "And fyi (sic) i've (sic) had several debates about abortion" etc. My comment you replied to is my INITIAL comment. I took that sentence and edited it into my initial comment since you're so worried about it (sic)

NOTE THE [[[PORTION]]] in the first so-called paragraph of drivel. Lie after lie. As the receipts show thus far, it is to YOU who is the one who came out of the gate foaming out of your big mouth personally attacking me for a comment I made directed at someone else entirely. It's crystal clear that it was YOU who was rude and vulgar first, not I.

Then you have the audacity to continue to claim your innocence with Bella:
~ @Bella3sp
Oh well I'm sorry I gave you the impression of him through my words, I wouldn't want that. It's just that he came at me first (sic) so I had to defend myself (sic)

You continue to lie and make spurious accusations with ZERO facts, as the receipts prove throughout this comment section. And your last comment, further definitive proof that you lack the emotional and intellectual temperament for mature dialogue in an online environment. You act like a five-year-old caught with their hand in the cookie jar and chocolate around your mouth, but you emphatically, nay, vehemently deny you got caught and blame the one observing your attitude, demeanor, behavior and actions.

In reality, you are a waste of my time; but the reason why I keep coming back is to keep proving you wrong and letting you make a complete jackass out of yourself. On that note, you've certainly done an outstanding job!!!

I don't care if you block me, because I can still reply and sooner or later your curiosity will get the best of you, and you'll see me putting YOU in your place.

What are your thoughts on Eminem?

Man please. You saying a whole lot of nothing. Irrelevant. Just like you telling me to "STFU" you can STFU too. I showed my maturity by saying let's end this but you obviously wanna keep going per your comment afterwards wanting to keep arguing and throwing insults. Me taking up for myself and putting you in your place doesn't make me immature. You started this nonsense. And yeah I can't send links since DDO doesn't exist anymore. If that's delusional then alright. I've gotten a lot out of school, but you know what I'm through with the petty back and forth. If you think I'm so uneducated then okay. Whatever helps you sleep at night. Talk about attitude and demeanor lmao look at you though....and you call ME the hypocrite.

You're the dumbest person I've ever had the misfortune of coming across on this site lol. DeonM is destroying you in the comments. Once again showing how much of a dumb fuck you are. You're twice my age and probably some of the other people in the comments too yet you carry yourself this way, that's extremely sad old man. Do better.

Talk all that shit online but a pussy in real life, you one of them people who gets beat the fuck up in real life because of their mouth. Don't know how to shut the fuck up. I swear the internet got miserable ass folks so comfortable. It's wild. You just a washed up old pathetic miserable ass bitch. But I'm out, this is boring and this shit is going on for too long and it's embarrassing. I'm a king, I don't deal with peasants like you. You're dirt. Think TWICE before ever disrespecting me again bitch. I'm through wasting my valuable time on you, I got more important things to do. Welcome to my block list. Last comment to your weird ass.

"You need to not conflate being considered a person and being a human being. These terms are used very interchangeably (because all human beings are supposed to be considered persons) but are distinct and will be separated in philosophical and ethical discussions such as this."

~ Person: 1. Human, Individual
5. the personality of being [a human being]
6. one (such as a human being, a partnership, or a corporation) that is recognized by law as the subject of rights and duties
Human Being: Human.
Human:: a bipedal primate mammal (Homo sapiens): [a person]

There is no conflation on my part. By layman (common knowledge) definition, a person = a human being, and vise versa. Legally the definitions are virtually the same. Even philosophically the meanings are the same where the fields of medicine and law are concerned; and these two fields have an important role in any discussion(s) on abortion.

"Personhood is the philosophical and ethical concept that refers to the status of being considered a "person". "

~ Wrong. Definition: personhood
noun
The state or condition of [being a person], especially having those qualities that confer distinct individuality.
The state or period of [being a person.]
[being a person]

And as noted above, the definition of a person is being a human (being).

"The assignment of that status being relational and subjective."

~ There is nothing subjective about what a human being, a person is and the inherent nature of personhood that goes along with it.

"Being a human being refers to being a member of the species Homo sapiens. It is a biological concept that is determined by genetics and physical characteristics."

~ Wrong. Definition: human being
noun
[A human].
[A person]; a large sapient, bipedalprimate, with notably less hair than others of that order, of the species Homo sapiens.
Another, extinct member of the genus Homo.

The categorical designation of being a member of the species homo sapiens is merely a biological classification; but there is more meaning to the term human being, as noted above and throughout this response.

"Your first statement is factually incorrect. A fetus is a human being simply in its embryonic stage. You were once adolescent, a child, an infant, a fetus, and an embryo. In all these stages of development you (if you're human) were and are still a human being."

~ Wrong. It is factually accurate. Gestational development =/= biological & physiological maturation

""Murder is an already born human being taking the life of another already born human being."
Funny enough, you insinuate a fetus being a human being with the distinctive qualifier "an already born" before "human being". Also, how does them not being born give you the right to take their life."

~ Nowhere in that statement do I qualify a fetus with any such qualifier as you allude to. That's your incorrect interpretation of what was said, hence you just created a nonsensical strawman argument.

I was too lazy to type any new arguments in this debate, so I just copied and pasted certain paragraphs of text from my previous abortion debates.

You need to not conflate being considered a person and being a human being. These terms are used very interchangeably (because all human beings are supposed to be considered persons) but are distinct and will be separated in philosophical and ethical discussions such as this.
Personhood is the philosophical and ethical concept that refers to the status of being considered a "person". The assignment of that status being relational and subjective.
Being a human being refers to being a member of the species Homo sapiens. It is a biological concept that is determined by genetics and physical characteristics. Your first statement is factually incorrect. A fetus is a human being simply in its embryonic stage. You were once adolescent, a child, an infant, a fetus, and an embryo. In all these stages of development you (if you're human) were and are still a human being.

"Murder is an already born human being taking the life of another already born human being."
Funny enough, you insinuate a fetus being a human being with the distinctive qualifier "an already born" before "human being". Also, how does them not being born give you the right to take their life.

"have legal rights, privileges and equal protections of the law - a pregnancy DOES NOT!"
Yes, in some places the rights of some human beings are not being legally respected. This is a bad thing.

"Like I said you don't know me from a can of paint."

~ I do not need to know you personally to know what kind of person you are in an online environment. Your attitude, demeano, behavior and linguistic choices tell me (all of us, for that matter) all we need to know.

"Had I sent you countless links of my past debates from debate.org it would've shut you up."

~ LOL!! Delusions of grandeur.

"I'm very much educated and intelligent and you can't tell me otherwise as you don't know me personally."

~ That remains to be seen; and again, I do not need to know you personally in order to know something about you that you so clearly put on display for all to observe.

"I've gone to school just like you have."

~ Going to school doesn't translate into getting anything meaningful out of it.

"Yes, you do have more worldly experience than me and ofc more professional experience, you've had a chance to a LOT of things and have done more and I'm going to experience a lot of things as well. Can't help the fact that you're older than me. Imagine using that as an insult. I don't need to better myself off of you, fuck you. I better myself every day for myself, not for others especially not some washed up damn near 50 year-old on the internet who uses his age to shame others by saying "you're an idiot compared to me" instead of helping and educating them. Another thing, age doesn't equate maturity, it's about your mind. I'm smarter and wiser than a lot of people my age. Just because someone's older also always doesn't mean they're smarter."

~ LOL!!! The irony here oozing out of your own comment flies over your own head. In your comment to Sir Lancelot you act like you're the mature one taking the higher ground, and I am just the foul mouth keyboard warrior just wanting to argue. You clearly do not read what you right. Suspension of disbelief I guess, right!

"I literally chilled and pumped my breaks last comment (which I really didn't have to off the premise that YOU started all of this to be begin with) I just said I'll end this maturely and agree to disagree yet you still wanna argue and throw insults, so who's really the mature one in the situation? Grow up. You and this intellectual coward bullshit is hilarious, keep thinking what you want, grandpa. Trust me, it's a lot I could say but I'm refraining from it. I'm gonna give you one last chance. Agree to disagree."

~ One word for you: HYPOCRITE!

King_8

“ Yeah unfortunately. I wanted to end this maturely and like I said not add more fuel to the fire but he wants to keep arguing. ”

LOL!! You and maturely are two things that don’t belong together. I mean really, FFS! Do you not read the drivel you post? Your fist comment to me was anything but mature with all those terms of profanity utilized in that sophomorically banal retort of yours.

And it’s to you who wants to argue, cause you can STFU anytime and stop replying like a scorned little girl trying to vindicate yourself.

Your replies to Sir.L are hilariously ironic.

What past names did you go by?

Trust me I know. I started this site in 2019 and eventually got banned. It was toxic. Idk why I even came back on this site now I'm back in the same spot arguing with people smh. I just have to ignore

If you signed-up a few months earlier, it would have been a flame war.
There were brain-dead people that you would’ve had zero tolerance for. Luckily, they either left or got banned.

Yeah unfortunately. I wanted to end this maturely and like I said not add more fuel to the fire but he wants to keep arguing. These type of people you must ignore and pay them dust. Misery loves company

Yikes.
These two are getting personal.

Like I said you don't know me from a can of paint. Had I sent you countless links of my past debates from debate.org it would've shut you up. I can play devil's advocate just like you can. I've been on the pro and con side of abortion is murder/pro life vs pro choice. I'm very much educated and intelligent and you can't tell me otherwise as you don't know me personally. I've gone to school just like you have. Yes, you do have more worldly experience than me and ofc more professional experience, you've had a chance to a LOT of things and have done more and I'm going to experience a lot of things as well. Can't help the fact that you're older than me. Imagine using that as an insult. I don't need to better myself off of you, fuck you. I better myself every day for myself, not for others especially not some washed up damn near 50 year-old on the internet who uses his age to shame others by saying "you're an idiot compared to me" instead of helping and educating them. Another thing, age doesn't equate maturity, it's about your mind. I'm smarter and wiser than a lot of people my age. Just because someone's older also always doesn't mean they're smarter.

I literally chilled and pumped my breaks last comment (which I really didn't have to off the premise that YOU started all of this to be begin with) I just said I'll end this maturely and agree to disagree yet you still wanna argue and throw insults, so who's really the mature one in the situation? Grow up. You and this intellectual coward bullshit is hilarious, keep thinking what you want, grandpa. Trust me, it's a lot I could say but I'm refraining from it. I'm gonna give you one last chance. Agree to disagree.

“ Psychological how? Oh you a therapist now? 😂😂😂 "

Psychological how ≠ psychological projection. Failed attempt to backpedal. 🙄

I don’t think it, I know it. I know you don’t know the subject matter. Your lack of education and emotional and intellectual intelligence with your own choice of wording affirms that fact.

And yes? I am older than you. Which means I have more academic and/or professional experience than you, which translates into more worldly experience than you. By all measures you’re an idiot compared to me. Accept it. Own it. Use it as a point of reference to better yourself.

Of course you’re jsut going to end it here…all intellectual cowards do when they j ie they don’t have a keg, let smoke a toe to stand on.

Yep and I was asking how was that psychological projection. Lol selective reading matters too. I'm 27. You're way older than me so you have more experience ofc. So yeah I haven't retired yet lol. College dropout? That's cute.

Ok if think I don't know the topic cool, whatever helps you sleep at night.

I'm just gonna end this and not add more fuel to the fire it's not worth it. I'm just gonna end this maturely and not keep arguing. We can agree to disagree.

"Psychological how? Oh you a therapist now? 😂😂😂 "

~ I quite clearly said, 'psychological projection,' it is a term made of two words, but still a term. Reading comprehension matters.

"You act as if you never cussed Mr. goody two shoes, "Way to demonstrate your lack of emotional and intellectual intelligence" I guess that applies to you too then. I'm talking about your RFD being rude. Let's copy and paste since you have short term memory loss."

~ Classic sophomoric "I know you are, but what am I" retort. Pathetic.

"Congratulations on your resume, ask me if I give a fuck? This isn't a job application buddy calm down. It's the fake smart woke shit for me 😂 "

~ You clearly do not know how to debate let alone understand the credentials of debate. If you lack the academic and/or professional experience in field, you rely on cited sources. Those who are accredited in their field do not need to cite as much, or any, sources to back them up PRECISELY because they possess CREDIBILITY in their objective opinions.

"Difference between me and you is I don't have shit to prove to a stranger online who I don't know or care about because I'm secure in myself."

~ Yeah, keep telling yourself that peon. Your insecurities are shining through bright and clear with every response.

" I went to college, I'm very educated. I took criminal justice before but that's not my field. I also OWN my own house free and clear, highly doubt you can say the same. Successful homeowner at a young age, also have my own businesses (plural) yeah let's not get to that conversation because what you're not gonna do is that. I'm not the one."

~ College dropout more likely. And I retired at 45yo. That was several years ago. When did you retire?

"I do know the topic very well like I said, thanks."

~ No, you do not.

Psychological how? Oh you a therapist now? 😂😂😂 You act as if you never cussed Mr. goody two shoes, "Way to demonstrate your lack of emotional and intellectual intelligence" I guess that applies to you too then. I'm talking about your RFD being rude. Let's copy and paste since you have short term memory loss.

"Pro began with a false premise and ended with a false conclusion. More importantly, Pro demonstrated their lack of the requisite knowledge of the subject material to even have this debate.
Con did not have to argue much to dispel the weak and unsubstantiated position of Pro."

Which was why I said you're using a whole bunch of big words to mask being rude. All I'm talking about is your RFD, that's what catapulted all this. It's not about me disagreeing I'm just calling it out for what it is. We can disagree that's no problem but your RFD was uncalled for. Congratulations on your resume, ask me if I give a fuck? This isn't a job application buddy calm down. It's the fake smart woke shit for me 😂 Difference between me and you is I don't have shit to prove to a stranger online who I don't know or care about because I'm secure in myself. Couldn't be me. But since you wanna know so bad. I went to college, I'm very educated. I took criminal justice before but that's not my field. I also OWN my own house free and clear, highly doubt you can say the same. Successful homeowner at a young age, also have my own businesses (plural) yeah let's not get to that conversation because what you're not gonna do is that. I'm not the one.

I do know the topic very well like I said, thanks. Be careful with that clown word because if anyone is a clown that would be you. You better be careful or this will turn bad REAL quick because I'm the wrong one, I'd really hurt your feelings so please don't try me. I'd suggest you shut the fuck up. You got so many degrees and shit and worked all those places why you on a debating site then lmfao probably some sad ass 40 yr old, get ya life together

"Miss me with the nonsense, I say what I want especially if a lowlife disrespects me first."

~ Psychological projection there. LOL!

"Don't act like you never cussed not one time in your life."

~ Never claimed that I did not or never have. Strawman fallacy on your part.

"You were being vulgar and rude first."

~ REALLY? Where in this initial comment was I "vulgar and rude"?
------A fetus is NOT [a] human being (ie - a person). It is only human in origin (biological and physiological makeup)

Murder is an already born human being taking the life of another already born human being.

Human beings (ie - a person) have legal rights, privileges and equal protections of the law - a pregnancy DOES NOT!

You are just as incorrect as Pro is/was in their debate."

No vulgarity or rudeness, just facts.

"You just used a whole bunch of big words in your RFD to sound intelligent but you were being rude so I returned that same energy and now you cant handle it. Its cool when they do it, its a problem when I do it lmaoooo."

~ Intellectual cowards always accuse those they disagree with for using "big words" just to "sound intelligent." That is actually a compliment, you know.

""legal victim" and NOT "[a] human being." - Same thing. Human being. But I didn't debate with you so I couldn't care less. You have your opinion.""

~ No, a legal victim is NOT the same thing as [a] human being, you dolt. Where did you matriculate to earning your degree in any legal field? Me? Portland State University. Criminology and Criminal Justice. Worked for a county sheriff, than a DAs Office. Prior to that, Military Police for the Drug Suppression Team under the Army's Criminal Investigation Division (you know, like the TV show NCIS, but Army). What legal academic and/or professional experience do you have? Oh, none. That's what I thought. Clown.

"I do very well know the topic."

~ No, you do not.

You're a clown. End of story.

Oh well I'm sorry I gave you the impression of him through my words, I wouldn't want that. It's just that he came at me first so I had to defend myself

It's hard not to. The moment your first sentence began I remembered a previous conversation with him.

Nah dont compare me to that weirdo. But he started it so I ended it

Lost all of what debates? I only had one abortion debate, this one and another one atm so wtf are you talking about dumbass lol and like I said I was referring to debate.org where I had several abortion debates and won, not debateart plus I just started on this site.

Miss me with the nonsense, I say what I want especially if a lowlife disrespects me first. Don't act like you never cussed not one time in your life. You were being vulgar and rude first. You just used a whole bunch of big words in your RFD to sound intelligent but you were being rude so I returned that same energy and now you cant handle it. Its cool when they do it, its a problem when I do it lmaoooo.

"legal victim" and NOT "[a] human being." - Same thing. Human being. But I didn't debate with you so I couldn't care less. You have your opinion.

I do very well know the topic. I would send links for proof from debate.org but sadly the website doesn't exist anymore, but I had numerous abortion debates on there and even won some of them. Even played both sides and devil's advocate. I was referring me having several debates about abortion on debate.org, not debateart. But you don't know me from a can of paint so idgaf what you think. Piss poor attitude? Oh I'm sorry that you want me to be happy go lucky and kiss your ass after you literally disrespected me FIRST on your RFD.

Yeah I made a SECOND comment which was "And fyi i've had several debates about abortion" etc. My comment you replied to is my INITIAL comment. I took that sentence and edited it into my initial comment since you're so worried about it

This ^^^^

No, but you feel like a 0.2 verison of TWS1405_2 with that comment, lol.
But to be honest, usually their vote's are alright. In this case, you can report the vote. At least I think.

"Lol bitch fuck you and your vote and your comment as well."

~ Way to demonstrate your lack of emotional and intellectual intelligence there, intellectual coward.

"If you wanna believe a fetus is not a human and that abortion isnt murder then great. If you want to believe I'm dumb and lack knowledge per my debate then awesome. I don't give a shit, you can fuck off."

~ Wow! You certainly are painting a clear picture of yourself falling under the Dunning-Kruger Effect here. Kudos!

"Get a brain and learn to make an elaborate RFD like the other two did, instead you wanna have a smart mouth and come at me sideways."

~ I have a brain, you clearly do not. Given your vulgar sophomoric banal retort(s) above.

"Well I can reach that energy too. If someone killed a pregnant woman that would be considered double homicide due to her and the baby, was the baby not murdered because it was a fetus inside her stomach? I'll wait"

~ Those laws specifically spell out that the pregnancy is merely a "legal victim" and NOT "[a] human being." Doing a little research and reading comprehensions skills matter.

"And fyi i've had several debates about abortion and know the topic of it very well. So you can go fuck off"

~ No, you do NOT know the topic; and you lost most if not all of those debates. Clearly. Given your piss poor attitude, demeanor, and childish behavior herein.

PS. Appears you made an initial comment then deleted it. Too emotive, huh!

Lol bitch fuck you and your vote and your comment as well. If you wanna believe a fetus is not a human and that abortion isnt murder then great. If you want to believe I'm dumb and lack knowledge per my debate then awesome. I don't give a shit, you can fuck off. Get a brain and learn to make an elaborate RFD like the other two did, instead you wanna have a smart mouth and come at me sideways. Well I can reach that energy too. If someone killed a pregnant woman that would be considered double homicide due to her and the baby, was the baby not murdered because it was a fetus inside her stomach? I'll wait

And fyi i've had several debates about abortion and know the topic of it very well. So you can go fuck off

A fetus is NOT [a] human being (ie - a person). It is only human in origin (biological and physiological makeup)

Murder is an already born human being taking the life of another already born human being.

Human beings (ie - a person) have legal rights, privileges and equal protections of the law - a pregnancy DOES NOT!

You are just as incorrect as Pro is/was in their debate.

It seems the main point of contention in this debate is the definition of what it means to be a person.
If we define personhood solely based on the presence of consciousness and sentience, we have to exclude certain groups of people such as those with severe dementia or brain injuries and comatose humans from being considered persons. That base is insufficient and flawed.
Historically, defining personhood based on certain characteristics has been used to ignore and deny people of their rights. For example, the racists used this tactic to justify denying black people their rights. Similarly, groups such as other slave groups, women, Jews, and various "foreigners" have at one time been excluded from being considered persons. I think we should be wary and cautious of this.

Murder is the intentional killing of one innocent human being by another. Fetuses are human beings (though their personhood is subjective). Abortion is the intentional killing of a fetus by another human. Abortion is murder.