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Which were worse, the BLM protests/riots or the January 6th capitol protests/riots? [@Oromagi]

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After 1 vote and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...

oromagi
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Resolution Which were worse the BLM protests/riots or the January 6th capital protests/riots?

PRO = BLM protests/riots were worse
CON = Jan 6 protests/riots were worse

BLM protests/riots: The George Floyd protests were a series of protests and civil unrest against police brutality and racism that began in Minneapolis, Minnesota on May 26, 2020, and largely took place during 2020.[7][8] The civil unrest and protests began as part of international reactions to the murder of George Floyd, a 46-year-old African American man who was murdered during an arrest after Derek Chauvin, a Minneapolis Police Department officer, knelt on Floyd's neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds[9] as three other officers looked on and prevented passers-by from intervening.

Jan 6th protests/riots: On January 6, 2021, a mob of 2,000–2,500 supporters of U.S. President Donald Trump attacked the Capitol Building in Washington, D.C.[a][28][29] They sought to overturn his defeat in the 2020 presidential election[30] by disrupting the joint session of Congress assembled to count electoral votes that would formalize President-elect Joe Biden's victory.[3][31]

BOP is shared.
Both sides must justify their respective positions of the resolution. The debate shall be judged on who is best able to show that one event was worse than another.

Additional rules:
Only Oromagi may accept.

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@Wylted

Maybe you would be interested in voting based on a shown presence within the comment section.

R3 SOURCES:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests
https://acleddata.com/acleddatanew/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/ACLED_USDataReview_Sum2020_SeptWebPDF.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp88QaUm92Q
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/09/965472049/the-capitol-siege-the-arrested-and-their-stories#database
https://apnews.com/article/records-rebut-claims-jan-6-rioters-55adf4d46aff57b91af2fdd3345dace8
https://acleddata.com/acleddatanew/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/ACLED_USDataReview_Sum2020_SeptWebPDF.pdf
https://www.vice.com/en/article/dy89em/new-video-jorge-gomez-blm-shooting-las-vegas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Sean_Monterrosa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Texas_power_crisis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robb_Elementary_School_shooting

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@SirAnonymous

I tried. Most of his political beliefs are tied to whether it is a policy that hurts poor people more than rich people. If it hurts poor people more, usually he supports the policy.

For example he is for Chinese levels of COVID-19 projections . Something that would have almost no effect on the rich while hurting the poor and minorities significantly.

Take the negatives of any policy position he suggests and just do the math on whether the negative ramifications will hurt poor people more than the wealthy and you'll see there is a pattern to his beliefs

R2 SOURCES

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selma_to_Montgomery_marches#%22Bloody_Sunday%22_events
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationale_for_the_Iraq_War
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/texas-men-arrested-assaulting-law-enforcement-officers-during-jan-6-capitol-breach
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/capitol-violence#Seeking-Info
https://perma.cc/A9WT-WWVS
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/06/12/amid-protests-majorities-across-racial-and-ethnic-groups-express-support-for-the-black-lives-matter-movement/
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/majority-americans-jan-attack-threatened-democracy-poll/story?id=81990555
https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demonstrations-political-violence-in-america-new-data-for-summer-2020/

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@Wylted

I read his argument. You weren't even close.

I can guess oramagi's argument without reading this. Let me see.

"Well you see, Jan 6th protest was very harmful to rich white people, while the BLM riots a bunch of black neighborhoods and businesses were burned down and looted, so therefore the Jan 6 protest was worse"

You can always count on oromagi to come down on the side of the wealthy against the poor.

SOURCES:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/19/us/joe-biden-trump-updates#trump-tries-to-subvert-the-election-inviting-michigan-gop-lawmakers-to-the-white-house
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_George_Floyd
https://apnews.com/article/us-capitol-attack-14c73ee280c256ab4ec193ac0f49ad54
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/amendment-14/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/05/trump-capitol-attack-democracy-election-insurrection-index
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/07/03/us/george-floyd-protests-crowd-size.html
https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/07/28/896515022/minneapolis-police-reportedly-identify-viral-umbrella-man-as-white-supremacist
https://www.sacurrent.com/sanantonio/san-antonio-area-boogaloo-bois-follower-admits-to-firing-shots-at-police-station-during-riot/Content?oid=27257236
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_during_the_George_Floyd_protests
https://perma.cc/A9WT-WWVS
https://www.climate.gov/disasters2020#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20the%20United%20States,landfalling%20hurricanes%20or%20tropical%20storms.

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@oromagi
@Novice_II

Not sure if you know but this is not a conspiracy theory:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/officer-who-responded-us-capitol-attack-is-third-die-by-suicide-2021-08-02/

I am not saying Pro's side has zero merit but not everybody understands how bad the capitol riots were.

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@Novice_II

Alright then.

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@whiteflame

I have made the transition to my new account, as you can see.