I assume my opponent had the general concept of the second definition in mind when creating this debate, in that we would be comparing the overall quality of the two groups. This is also the sense of the word that I will mainly be considering from my side. However, the term "good" does also carry the connotation of moral excellence as the first of the two definitions makes clear. I would say that a person's moral character should be considered in analyzing their overall quality, so I will also include that within my arguments.
To summarize, utilizing an extreme overuse of commas, as CON in this debate, I will be arguing that black people, as a group, are overall inferior to white people according to PRO's framework and definitions.
America is Forcing Inferiority on Black People
This debate is not about the causes of inferiority. As the resolution states, it is about whether black people are inferior. That implies a current state of being. As we all know, America has racism built into it's very foundations. The very systems and institutions were created in such a way that would benefit white people to the detriment of other races. Think of it this way - if you are about to race someone but you shoot them in the knee, you will likely win. You are ensuring that your opponent becomes far less capable than you at racing. Even 10 years down the road, the effects of shooting your opponent's knee will continue to cause them to be an inferior racer.
This is how America works.
While there are a few exceptions, it can be said in general of black people as a whole that they are set up for failure so that white people can succeed. And the exceptions are not evidence that racism does not exist, because what is considered an exceptional outcome for black people is considered normal for white people.
Education
Black people are forced into poor communities with lower-quality educational opportunities. This leads to them having inferior skills in key learning areas such as math, reading, and critical thinking. "The net result of this pattern is that we have a de facto racially segregated K-12 school system that is more segregated today than it was forty years ago. And, this racial segregation is a strongly implicated in the low educational outcomes for African American, Latina/o and Native American students," states one article about disparate educational outcomes due to systemic racism.[
2] The disparities in education between races creates a permanent disadvantage for black people that will affect the rest of their lives. If someone has inferior math skills, they will not be as good at making important financial decisions. Inferior reading skills will impair one's ability for future understanding and can negatively impact how equipped one is for employment. And critical thinking is important in so many disciplines that inferior skills will make things more difficult than for someone who is more developed in this area.
Employment
An article from The Brookings Institution explains the snowball effect that poor education has in producing educational disparities.[
3] School readiness, high school graduation rates, and quality of colleges attended are all areas where white people exceed compared to black people. If black people are forced through systems that do not give them the same skills preparing them for the workforce, it naturally follows that they will not be able to find jobs with salaries as high as white people. Besides the prejudiced treatment from employers based on skin color, lower qualifications and learned skills will also make them less desirable to companies compared to their more capable white counterparts.
One can see how these watershed effects produce negative outcomes for the black community. As one article points out, "For some, not finishing high school [is] the first step along a pathway...what some have called the 'school to prison pipeline.'"[
4] The school to prison pipeline means that criminal records will further harm their desirability to employers.
Housing
As I have already stated, black people are forced into poor communities which can be traced back to racist policies such as redlining. But they are also kept in these poor areas because of their unequal access to higher-paying jobs. We cannot forget that their inferior math skills also put them at a disadvantage for the financial planning required to successfully navigate the house-buying process. All this means that black people will necessarily be more poor as individuals, as well as a group overall, than white people. And when they are forced to live in the same communities with other poor black people, the cycle of poverty is exacerbated while rich white neighborhoods thrive at their expense. Whites benefit from the system, as well as their superior qualifications and learned skills acquired at the expense of black people.
Effects of Poverty
When racist policies force black people into a life of poverty, they are at far more risk of needing to resort to crime as a means of survival. Think back to the racing analogy. If the person who was shot in the knee still wants to succeed in the race, they may need to resort to cheating to have a chance. The American system essentially forces black people to commit crimes at higher rates than white people.
shit i completely forgot about this debate
Take longer if you want. I'm in no hurry and you have a week. It's up to you though
damn used my argument against me rn I'm doing some intense gaming I will provide my counter-argument tomorrow though it will be short
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Yes, the problem is that they are trying to fundamentally change definitions. Racism, as they would like to define it, is no longer dependent upon an individual acting in a way that holds one race as superior. Rather, racism exists whenever racial disparities exist. And it is the system, rather than individuals, who is guilty as long as disparities exist.
And a guilty system must be deconstructed and replaced. They never want to tell you what their plan for replacement is though...
The term "white supremacist" is meaningless, really. The definition that I was familiar with was that it is the belief that Whites should dominate and rule over other races. Merriam-Webster's definition is somewhat similar to that.
"the belief that white people constitute a superior race and should therefore dominate society, typically to the exclusion or detriment of other racial and ethnic groups, in particular black or Jewish people."
So, not only must you believe that White people are superior, you must ALSO believe they SHOULD dominate society.
Similar to how nobody can agree on what "racism" means. Now you can't be "racist" to White people. Both terms that they are trying to change to fit a political narrative/now try to use to demonize conservative political opponents.
I think the definition that is intended would be closer to how Robin DiAngelo describes white supremacy:
"Race scholars use the term white supremacy to describe a socio-political economic system of domination based on racial categories that benefits those defined and perceived as white."
Put more simply, anything that promotes "white privilege" can be described as white supremacy. At least, according to some folks.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=white+supremest&cvid=82cbf92eb6974d54b959039d59e74a4c&aqs=edge..69i57j0l6.3291j0j1&pglt=43&FORM=ANNAB1&PC=DCTS states the definition of a white supremist is:
"supporting the belief that white people constitute a superior race and should therefore dominate society, typically to the exclusion or detriment of other racial and ethnic groups, in particular black or Jewish people."
So it's possible for one to believe whites are smarter while not advocating for whites to dominate society. A person who believes this is not a white supremist.
Epstein was killed by our lizard government.
that's true ill clarify the definition
Look here's the issue. One of the definitions of inferior is "lower in rank, status, or quality" [1]. I can argue that black people "rank lower" in terms of wealth [2], which is true but not racist. You've going to want to make your resolution more bullet proof.
[1] https://www.lexico.com/definition/inferior
[2] https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/notes/feds-notes/disparities-in-wealth-by-race-and-ethnicity-in-the-2019-survey-of-consumer-finances-20200928.htm
Honestly, I was tempted under the "morally" heading... To be clear, I would never argue for such being an inherent state.
I suppose it is contradictory ill change to just inferior
The reason I'm asking for it to be removed is that, as you agreed, where someone is born plays a huge role in a person's moral influences. If that is eliminated from the discussion, there is no point in the discussion at all. But it's your debate so it's up to you. If you would like more clarity on my intention behind asking for it to be removed though, I am happy to provide that.
I think ill keep it as this has happened to me before where someone in the comments will say remove this section and then accept and argue with what used to be in the description not accusing you just being wary.
If you remove the following section from the description -- "EXCEPT what it does determine (not all the time) Is where you will most likely be born but I won't touch on this as it's not a debate on systemic racism" -- and increase the time for argument, I will accept the debate.
Indeed
"Systemic racism definition: Institutional racism, also known as systemic racism, is a form of racism that is embedded through laws and regulations within society or an organization. It can lead to such issues as discrimination in criminal justice, employment, housing, health care, political power, and education, among other issues."
I assume you sincerely believe that systemic racism as you have previously defined does in fact exist throughout the entire society of the United States, correct?
dude u still mad? get it over with.
Now 'inferior' changed to 'morally inferior', making my disagreement seem more of an overreaction.
Thats a good point
Just watched Green book.
Or, as we put it here straightforwardly, still a nope.
Wouldn't you agree that where someone is born (including family and surrounding culture) strongly influences their moral character? It seems odd to try to exclude that factor in a debate about morals.
Yeah It's definitely for the best if this dies unaccepted.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Moral%20Inferiors
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Moral%20Inferiors
thanks
"Black people are not morally inferior to white people". This way, it should be pretty kritik proof.
can you tell me how i should change the debates format so someone else doesnt
I could accept and could very easily nullify the resolution, but it is likely that voters will see my kritik as cheating.
This is a truism lol
How does Con avoid having nothing but kritiks? On the other hand, how does Pro avoid having nothing but kritiks, particularly Pro's exception, which is superlative kritik?
I look forward to this one dying unaccepted; best for all.
this got heated
Clarification: rationalmadman is not advocating for racism he made comments before when the debate name was different
Personally I'm not bothered by the topic.
'Lot of wiggle room for whoever accepts though, to win, 'I think.
Im not giving them a platform i would love to destroy whoever accepts.
I just want to debate a racist?
If you aren't advocating for racism, don't give racists a platform to do so.
i reworded it as it might sound that IM the one advocating for racism
indeed i did
You just changed this to 'not' and changed yourself to Pro.
How does one judge superiority or inferiority?
I've already one uped you in a troll debate, so I won't be taking this one, but I recommend you retitle the resolution to "Black people are not morally inferior to white people". The truth is, I am certain that there are at least some fields in which black people are inferior to white people.
wtf did i do?
im taking con meaning i dont agree with the statement
Fuck you and whoever takes Pro
bones, the link u sent me was just a debate on children being inferior.
rational madman
im just starting a debate about black people being inferior to white people my position is con unless there's a rule about talking about white supremacy
https://www.debateart.com/debates/2774-children-are-not-inferior
Obvious why
why
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