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The United States would be better off without Black People

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Average12
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Nobody seemed interested in my last debate, so I have renamed it to mean the exact same thing. You must request the debate in the comments, it is impossible to accept. It is sad that I have to rename the debate this to dumb it down to the level needed for people to understand what the debate is about, but here it is. I do have separate rules for blacks if they enter this debate.
Blacks are inferior so I will create an alt account and give them a free vote in their just before the debate expires. They need my charity.
Rules for Blacks
1. You must call me master, throughout the course of the debate. (atleast 5 times per round)
2. You must prove your blackness to my satisfaction.
3. You must answer the next 5 questions to begin round 1.
Why do you guys tip so badly?
What's up with putting hot sauce in everything?
Why can't you guys shut up in movie theaters?
Speaking of movies, Madea is a terrible move, why not just watch good movies instead of picking the movies you watch based on the skin color of the characters?
Why are you guys intent on looking so stupid by sagging your pants, or harming the performance of your vehicle by altering it in stupid ways?

Round 1
Wylted's avatar
Wylted
Pro
#1
Unfortunately I am very time constrained so will give a summary of my argument wing some stuff.

When whites commit crimes, it seems to usually target whites, but blacks on the other hand target whites the majority of the time, because they are a pack of wolves taking advantage of our good nature. 

According to the NCJRS;

 96.9 percent of the white offenders chose white victims, violent crime by black offenders is apparently predominantly interracial, with 55.2 percent of the black offenders choosing white victims. Black offenders chose white victims in 63.9 percent of robberies, 51.8 percent of assaults, and 58.6 percent of rapes. In contrast, white offenders chose black victims in 8.3 percent of robberies, 2.7 percent of assaults, and 5.5 percent of rapes. These percentages suggest that each of the three violent crimes is strongly intraracial for white offenders but predominantly interracial for black offenders.

This makes blacks 50% more likely to victimize whites than whites would victimize blacks. This is absurd that we are allowing predators of whites to live among us. 

It might be easy to dismiss this if we assumed blacks and whites committed the same amount of crimes, but it doesn't appear to be the case. If we eliminate homicides from people of "unknown" ethnicity than we can see that according to the FBI statistics they collect on murders' blacks commit over 50% of them. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_3_murder_offenders_by_age_sex_and_race_2013.xls

This is a group of people that make up just 12% of the population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States

This is mostly Male African Americans, but if we eliminated the women from the equation the statistics are even more concerning. A group that consists of just about 6% of the population is committing over 50% of the murders. If crime were a rare thing and blacks were committing most crimes, we may be able to ignore this, but we have all been victims or crime or know multiple people that are victims of crime. If crimes were infrequent in the black population it may be easy to dismiss, but this is not the case. 33% of black men will commit a crime serious enough to go to prison over. https://www.sentencingproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Race-and-Justice-Shadow-Report-ICCPR.pdf

ALright, I hear you. Some of you are saying this is just criminal justice, that if we merely fixed this problem that all the black problems would go away, but the problems they bring to the United States isn't limited to the fact they are violent savages. They also have frequent unprotected sex and spread disease. This is why I would never fuck a black person, I don't want aids. 

Gonorrhea is 30 times more likely to happen to blacks. Even the blacks who limit their selves to just one or two lifetime partners still get Herpes more often than White women who do the same. Probably because white women are less likely to bang black dudes.

The infection rate for African Americans who had only one or two sexual partners during their lifetime was 29.7 percent, compared to 12.9 percent for all other racial groups with one or two lifetime partners.


If it wasn't bad enough that they spread aids and crime, they also are living off of white taxes, despite being 12% they get 40% of welfare. https://thewestsidegazette.com/finally-the-truth-about-welfare-how-many-blacks-vs-how-many-whites/

Without blacks, black problems go away and America would have a lower percentage of Murders, Aids and Welfare queens. 
Average12's avatar
Average12
Con
#2
To answer your questions.
1. I refuse to call you master. If this is a violation of conduct on my part then I will take that.
2. What is that suppose to mean?
3. Ok I will proceed to answer the next 5 questions.

1. What does tipping have to do with being black? Explain this please.

2. I dont even like hot sauce. Plus how is what someone adding to their food effects your life that much? So much so that you believe that they should not be in the United States anymore. Thats such an insignificant thing to point out.

3. I can agree that black people can be loud and Im sorry you experienced this but I have witnessed white people talking in theaters too.

4. Not my fault that Madea is a funny movie/movie series. Tyler Perry does an excellent job as that character. Its all just for comedy. All Madea movies are good. I think most of everyone can agree (since you are bringing in stereotypes) that black people as comedians are funnier. Look at all the black comedians compared to the white ones. Back to the movie point, it just resonates with black people because maybe they can relate to that one crazy aunt or grandma. Im sure theres white people who like Madea movies. I assume you are saying movies that have something to do with black people are bad, so I doubt you even seen Black Panther (which is a great movie) or that you aren't interested in seeing it since you think ill of black people. If you seen Black Panther and enjoyed it then you are a hypocrite and contradicting

5. Well I dont sag and I have never sagged in my life and I dont alter my vehicle or add rims if thats what you are referring to. Not all black people are the same and it's not fair to say one thing about a whole race, just like not all white people are the same.

Now for the debate. I must point two things out. 
- Your description has nothing to do at all with your round 1
- Should the world be better off without black people or just the United States? Because I hope that you know that there's black people outside of the U.S

My opponent basically says that white on white crime is okay yet on the other hand black on white crime isn't? This also makes me think that he thinks black on black crime is wrong (which it is) and that white on white crime is okay and inexcusable when it should go both ways. 

Wylted's quote, "This makes blacks 50% more likely to victimize whites than whites would victimize blacks."
Are you aware of police brutality? There's many white officers that kills blacks. https://www.vox.com/identities/2016/8/13/17938186/police-shootings-killings-racism-racial-disparities

Wylted's quote, "but the problems they bring to the United States isn't limited to the fact they are violent savages."
Majority of white men commit horrific acts by mass shootings and school shootings. I would call them the violent savages. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting
I predict Wylted will use the excuse of mental illness, since white people always get a pass for the things they do. If a black person did the same thing listed above, it would be a different story. 

"They also have frequent unprotected sex and spread disease. This is why I would never fuck a black person, I don't want aids."
People of all races, not just blacks, have aids/have the ability to possess aids and sexual diseases.

"Probably because white women are less likely to bang black dudes."
Are you sure about that? As time passes, more mixed children are coming into the world. https://aeon.co/essays/the-future-is-mixed-race-and-thats-a-good-thing-for-humanity

White people were on welfare first actually. There's more, if not the same amount as blacks. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/americans-welfare-perceptions-survey_n_5a7880cde4b0d3df1d13f60b
Round 2
Wylted's avatar
Wylted
Pro
#3
Con made no attempt to prove he was black, so I will not award a free vote to him, and refusal to prove means he wasted his time answering the irrelevant questions. '

This debate is about whether the United States would be better off without black people. Con has made no argument that the United States is better off with black people. He only offered rebuttals and mitigating ones at that, but I will answer his rebuttals anyway, despite the fact he practically conceded the debate. 

Not my fault that Madea is a funny movie/movie series.
They aren't funny, the shit is recycled jokes I heard a million times from practically every early 90s sitcom. Nor is your assertion that blacks are funny is correct. They are funnier than women, which I will give you, but they are not funnier than whites. You will never see a black person the level of outrageous funny as Robbin Williams, Richard Pryor is the best answer you get to that, and he was played out. You won't have an intellectual comedian like Senfield, because blacks have an average IQ of 85 which is honestly not that far above retarded. In fact add that into benefits of removing blacks from America column, it raises our average IQ level.  Blacks just suck at Comedy. Where is your answer for George Carlin? It doesn't exist because blacks lack the creativity it takes to become a master comedian, even if the demographic is big enough to make people like Steve Harvey famous. Speaking of Steve Harvey, I once watched a stand-up routine of his where he just read funny stories from a local paper and commented on them, so thanks black people for making me waste a night watching yet another shitty comedian/.

My opponent, brings up police brutality against blacks, but he has an IQ of probably about 85, so he doesn't realize that is yet another benefit to removing blacks from white society, it makes them less likely to be brutalized by police. I'm not even going to go into how blacks are more likely to resist police, because it is irrelevant. We are debating whether America benefits more from their presence or not, not whether they deservedly get more ass whoopings from police or not. Now to answer some direct quotes.

Are you aware of police brutality? There's many white officers that kills blacks
Not a debate about whether white people are pieces of shits, it can simultaneously be true that the country would be better off without blacks and still be better off without whites. Stay on topic.

Majority of white men commit horrific acts by mass shootings and school shootings. I would call them the violent savages
See above quote.

all races, not just blacks, have aids/have the ability to possess aids and sexual diseases. 
Yep, but this fails to respond to my argument that it is black people who disproportionately have and spread STD's. This is a mere 12% of the population who has most of the diseases or at-least half.

hite people were on welfare first actually. There's more, if not the same amount as blacks
The debate isn't about how shitty whites are, it is about whether the United States would be better off without blacks. It is also stupid to point out that more whites are on welfare. Honestly who cares. I think somewhere like 38% of welfare recipients are white, and 36% are black, but my argument was about the disproportionate nature of such things. 12% of the population is black. 77% of Americans are white. If things were proportional (meaning whites and blacks are equal) we would see proportional results. This would mean welfare should be only 12% black and 77% white, but that is not the case because black people are more likely to be lazy and feed off of the government as opposed to getting jobs. 

1. What does tipping have to do with being black? Explain this please.
Black people are famous for being bad tippers, even black wait staff hate waiting on them. They don't realize 20% is a fair tip and will have no problem throwing $5 down on a $50 meal. Black wait staff are even shocked at
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Average12
Con
#4
Pro literally put these questions in the description, 
"1. You must call me master, throughout the course of the debate. (atleast 5 times per round)
2. You must prove your blackness to my satisfaction.
3. You must answer the next 5 questions to begin round 1."
(And the next 5 questions)

Whether they were serious or for jokes, it does not matter. They were there and he demanded that I answered them so I followed the rule. Debates should be taken seriously. If the questions were "irrelevant" as Pro says, then he wouldn't have took time out to put those rude questions/statements in the description. 

Kevin Hart, Mike Epps, Jamie Foxx etc. All funny and great comedians. You honestly don't think Kevin Hart is hilarious? Tell the truth and put your bigoted bias to the side per this debate. Steve Harvey is very successful he's not only a comedian he even has his own talk show so that's something you can't take away from him. 

Pro says that black people, including me has an IQ of probably about 85. Poor conduct. xD

Pro's quote "Not a debate about whether white people are pieces of shits, it can simultaneously be true that the country would be better off without blacks and still be better off without whites. Stay on topic."
Well all you are doing is villainizing blacks as if white people haven't done their fair share of bad things, they are not innocent. But because of white privilege, it's overlooked. Which gives you the ability to say "Honestly who cares" that white people were on welfare more, yet it's such a big deal that blacks are on welfare. Hypocritical. 

"Black people are famous for being bad tippers"
Never heard of this, but regardless it does not matter. If someone doesn't want to tip, they dont have to. Its their money. If they only want to tip a little bit, thats their choice. Its their hard earned money. I love to tip, me and my family tips people that deserve it. If it was a good waiter/waitress. A waiter shouldn't get upset over someone not tipping them because even if they provided good service, at the end of the day, that's that person's money and they've already paid for their food. 
Round 3
Wylted's avatar
Wylted
Pro
#5
My opponent, doesn't know what a debate is. This debate is about whether the United States would be better off with Black People or not. He hasn't shown how the United States would be better off with black people, while I listed several problems black people bring to the table, and asserted removing them, removes the problems they bring. His only rebuttal is, and I am paraphrasing (White people are also sometimes pieces of shits), which ignores the fact that a large proportion of the problems, comes from 12%  of the population. They commit just as many murders as whites, but if they were 77% of the population like whites, and whites were a mere 12% of the population, homicide rates would increase at least 5 fold. 

Pro says that black people, including me has an IQ of probably about 85
Nope, it is a fact. It may be a fact you are uncomfortable with, but it doesn't make it untrue, I provided a citation for the fact and you have dropped the argument that it is true. The average white IQ by comparison is about 100. There is a large genetic component to IQ as well, in fact it is nearly 100% genetic. This why when you take whites who have an IQ of 100 and mix them with slave IQ levels from Africa of 65 and lower (as seen by the Pygmy tribe), you get them to average out at 85, which is where the average American black is. I would like to point out that my opponent is probably not an outlier as far as black IQ is concerned. 

I will concede to my opponent on the fact Kevin Hart is funny, but he has not argued that blacks don't have the more intelligent comedy that whites such as George Carlin do. He has failed to address my accusation that shitty comedians such as Steve Harvey and Tyler Perry are far more common in famous black comedians than in white ones, and that even though people like Kevin Hart are funny, they are not masters of the craft like say a Jerry Seinfeld is (who con concedes is white). 

 yet it's such a big deal that blacks are on welfare. Hypocritical. 
It is bad for anybody to be on welfare, but what my opponent has missed because he is black and has the average IQ of a black person, is that there are a disproportionate amount of blacks on welfare. He has failed to argue against my assertion that less people would be sucking on the tit of my mother country, to get their sustenance if blacks were gone. 

A waiter shouldn't get upset over someone not tipping them because even if they provided good service, at the end of the day, that's that person's money and they've already paid for their food. 
This sounds, like something a coon would say, so between that and the low IQ, I will concede my opponent is black and just before the debate expires I will have my alt account vote on the debate in his favor or recruit a friend to do it for me . My opponent concedes that he is a bad tipper, and since the watresses where I work make $4 an hour, apparently he thinks that slave wages are a good thing for the people who wait on him and his negroid family members. 

My opponent asserts that Steve Harvey is successful with his own talk show. This is another reason to make blacks leave the country. That shit is clogging up our airwaves because of his largely black fanbase who is only watching because he is black and they are race loyalists even when it means they have to consume an inferior product. I as a white man should not be forced to watch Madea with those early 90s recycled jokes that weren't even really that funny before they were stolen from white comedians.

A personal note to con;

Please go live in Africa. I know you were taken here against your will by Jews who thought slavery was a good thing. I apologize that the Jews did that to you, but you are making America worse. Please leave. Now that you have learned what a society is, maybe you can build one in Africa and save your people from spear chucking. Also, you will be safe from school shooters, if you go back to Africa, so it is win win.


Average12's avatar
Average12
Con
#6
I do know what a debate is. For someone who lists stupid and problematic questions and it having nothing to do with his round 1, I would say that you don't know what a debate is. 

Let's be real here, black comedians are much funnier than white comedians for many reasons. White comedians are just boring compared to the black ones. Its just in the DNA. I do admit I love Amy Schumer though, she is hilarious.

"I will concede my opponent is black"
I am black, I've been pretty much saying I am this whole time, what do you need a picture of me or something? Is that what you mean by "prove my blackness"?

I don't need any votes from you, don't even bother. Let the voting process go normally. 

There is no such thing as a bad tipper. Not every waiter deserves a tip lol if there happens to be a rude waiter, I'm not going to tip them. Now you have brought my family into this and said negroid? Lol okay, bet. 

No one is forcing you to watch Madea, just don't support it. Clearly you know enough about it since you apparently seen a great deal of the movies.

"Black people have low IQ."
You and this whole IQ thing which is nothing but bullshit, and then you have the nerve to not only bring up my family and call them negroids. On top of that, you of course have your history messed up thinking you know everything, but since you think you do, let me school you real quick and teach you a lesson. I wasn't planning on doing this but you've disrespected me so I'm going there. I tell all non black people this to shut them all the way down.

Here's a reality check for you.

Blacks were actually the first race on earth. We built everything from the ground up. Blacks are superior, we are the original man. Africa was first, YOU came from Africa. You came from us. You wouldn't be here if it wasn't for black people. We are the original man.
Santa Clause was mirrored after a black man named St. Nicholas.
The Statue of Liberty was based off of a black woman.
Jesus was black.
Whites and everyone else came from us. That's why white people's melanin glands don't work, they are mutants. So you sir, are a melanin deficient mutant. At least our skin absorbs the suns rays and creates nutrients, we don't even need sunscreen like you do. You have to wear sunscreen or else you'll get skin cancer. Sucks to suck.
All the stones and statues in China and Japan are black people, you can even tell from their features.
Look at some Indian people, and even Hispanic people. You notice some of them have dark skin and have melanin. Where do you think that comes from? Black people.
PROOF on how all of this in FACT true:
A documentary series called "Hidden Colors" followed by sequels 2, 3, 4 and 5.
There are five documentaries of that explaining the truth. This includes professionals, facts, sources, ancient times, etc.
I will now use your words on you. "It may be a fact you are uncomfortable with, but it doesn't make it untrue" :) You may not want to accept it, but that is the truth. You cannot, I repeat CANNOT rebut this no matter what you say or what sources you use. No matter what you say afterwards will not matter. I repeat, it WILL NOT matter at all. The truth is the truth and I rest my case. That's a real history lesson for you. Looks like you learned something new. They don't teach this kind of sh*t at schools though, they want to teach lies and want to avoid the truth. Don't you dare speak negatively about my kings and queens, brothers and sisters. Now everything you said is irrelevant and thrown out the window.

In case you didn't know, nigger technically means ignorant. So in reality, anyone can be a nigger. 

I wonder....would you say half of the bullshit on here to a black person's face in real life? I highly doubt it. Do so and you'll get your ass beat especially where I;m from. Instead of worrying about black people, go focus on white people doing incest and go worry about school shooters and much MUCH more. 

*Mic drop*
Round 4
Wylted's avatar
Wylted
Pro
#7
I already won, because my opponent has dropped my arguments or merely mitigated them and has offered no benefits to blacks being in America other than his shitty taste in comedians. 

I do know what a debate is. For someone who lists stupid and problematic questions and it having nothing to do with his round 1

How are they stupid or problematic if it caused you to waste character space responding to the obvious ploy?

With that aside, I listed several negative effects blacks have on the United States including the diseases, the crime, the low IQ, the unfunny comedians and worst of all Their inability to tip properly. My opponent has responded by justifying bad tips by saying $4 an hour in wages is all waitresses deserve, or making absurd statements like blacks are somehow beneficial to the United States, because there are a lot of white school shooters. The debate isn't about whether the United States would be better off without whitey though, it is about whether it would be better off without nigs. 

My opponent has failed to say why America would be better off with Blacks. I assume nearly every voter will disagree with my position in this debate, but debate is not about what side is right, but about which side argued their points better, and as a result of that every single judge should vote in my favor here. My opponent has failed to call me master, so I will deny him the bonus point unless he does so in the final round.

Blacks were actually the first race on earth. We built everything from the ground up. Blacks are superior, we are the original man. Africa was first, YOU came from Africa. You came from us. You wouldn't be here if it wasn't for black people. We are the original man.
Blacks are the first man, which makes them less evolved than whites, and proves they should not live among whites. Just like it would be a mistake to think of cavemen as superior for coming first (code for less evolved), it would be a mistake to assume my negroid opponent is superior to me. The first whites were people who migrated from Africa, Africans were left behind in nice conditions, so no evolution occurred to them beyond this point, but whites faced harsh winters, lack of food and other hardships that killed off the inferior portions of the race, meaning we became smarter. These events that pushed evolution did not happen to blacks and any anthropologist can tell you my information is accurate. 

In case you didn't know, nigger technically means ignorant. So in reality, anyone can be a nigger. 
Well since Nigger is not a baseless racist attack and can be used as a synonym for ignorant, I will choose to use it here. My opponent is a nigger. (meaning ignorant) He actually believes that Hidden Colors, is a good documentary. I've watched the documentary series which is quite entertaining, but it says stupid shit, like how the first President was, black, how Beethoven was black, I think the documentary even calls Hitler black at some point (stop trying to steal my heroes). You would have to be ignorant (A nigger according to con's definition) to believe anything that black supremacist documentary says. 

In the final round, it seems my opponent agrees with me that blacks are violent pieces of shits who have no respect for freedom of speech. He says;

I wonder....would you say half of the bullshit on here to a black person's face in real life? I highly doubt it. Do so and you'll get your ass beat especially where I;m from. Instead of worrying about black people, go focus on white people doing incest and go worry about school shooters and much MUCH more. 
I wouldn't say it to a negroid's face, because like my opponent says here, negroids are incapable of a logical discussion if it offends them and will resort to their savage nature of mercilessly beating whites. 

Con states that Amy Schumer is funny, this absurd statement proves he is completely retarded when it comes to taste in comedians. He needs to go back to Africa.

Average12's avatar
Average12
Con
#8
problematic because they were rude. you put the questions there and i just answered to follow the rules yet you call them irrelevant? Make up your mind.

Tipping is very insignificant. Theres a shit ton of white people who dont tip

I'll call you the dick sucking master, does that count? 

No, whites should not live among us. You are a neanderthal. 

"The first whites were people who migrated from Africa, Africans were left behind in nice conditions, so no evolution occurred to them beyond this point, but whites faced harsh winters, lack of food and other hardships that killed off the inferior portions of the race, meaning we became smarter. These events that pushed evolution did not happen to blacks and any anthropologist can tell you my information is accurate."
False. Black people IQ is much higher than whites.

Nowadays, as we all know Nigger is a derogatory term towards blacks. Yes, it does mean ignorant but it's been used as a slur towards blacks. I wasnt replacing the meaning, i was just saying what it actually meant, but that doesnt take away from the slur. 

"You would have to be ignorant (A nigger according to con's definition) to believe anything that black supremacist documentary says."
Like i said its the truth. I know, it may be a hard pill for you to swallow

Walking up to someone and calling them a nigger and a piece of shit doesnt equate to a logical discussion or freedom of speech. You have a conversation with someone in a different approach. Its unfair how people expect blacks to just sit there like robots emotionless as if you didnt say something clearly offensive. Why dont you be nicer and treat them like a human being 

I only watched Amy Schumer like once. I dont watch her faithfully, but the one time I seen her, she is funny. I do have good tastes in comedians. Have fun watching your washed up white comedians.