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Topic
#1103
The Earth is Flat
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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.
Winner & statistics
Better arguments
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18
Better sources
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12
Better legibility
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6
Better conduct
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6
After 6 votes and with 36 points ahead, the winner is...
Wylted
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Description
I think the Earth is round, my opponent thinks the Earth is flat. BoP is shared. Only use science and physics to argue, no religious quotes please. We can also discuss if there is a conspiracy and if the government is lying to us. If you want to provide scientific studies, cite your sources.
Structure:
Round 1 - Main Argument
Round 2 - Rebuttals
Round 3 - Rebuttals
Round 4 - Rebuttals
Round 5 - Final Argument
Round 1
Pro
#2
Thank you Con for accepting this debate. I ask that judges check their bias and preconceived notions at the door. I would also like to point out that most of my arguments will derived from the book Zetetic Astronomy by parallax. Others I gathered from various YouTube videos. A link to the full book can be found here and I will continually refer back to it as a source. http://www.sacred-texts.com...
I can't work images properly, probably because I'm debating on my cellphone. I ask that my opponent, judges and readers bare with me and please actually click on the image links. My arguments will be understood a little better, with the help of a few visual aids.
I'd like to point out that my case will be made with a lot of experiments and observations that can be made first hand. I'm not asking anyone to trust supposed "established facts". You need nothing more than your own senses and judgement to figure these things out on your own.
C1- If the Earth were round people would fall off the bottom.
C2- The Bedford Level Experiment
"A boat, with a flag-staff, the top of the flag 5 feet above the surface of the water, was directed to sail from a place called "Welche's Dam" (a well-known ferry passage), to another called "Welney Bridge." These two points are six statute miles apart. The author, with a good telescope, went into the water; and with the eye about 8 inches above the surface, observed the receding boat during the whole period required to sail to Welney Bridge. The flag and the boat were distinctly visible throughout the whole distance!"
If the Earth was curved the boat wouldn't have been visible the whole distance. Here is what would've happened if we had a round Earth.
That's not what happened in the experiment. This is what happened.
This experiment has been repeated several times, with different people and locations. All with the same results.
C3- Isle of Wight and Isle of Man
"A very striking illustration of the true form of the sea horizon may be observed from the high land in the neighbourhood of the head of Portsmouth Harbour. Looking across Spithead to the Isle of Wight, the base or margin of the island, where water and land come together, appears to be a straight line from east to west, a length of twenty-two statute miles. If a good theodolite is directed upon it, the cross-hair will show that the. land and water line is perfectly horizontal, as shown."
Below are 2 pictures. The first shows what the actual results of the experiment are. The 2nd shows what it should be if the Earth is round.
This experiment was repeated at the Isle of Man with similar results. Image 1 is actual results. Image 2 is what they would look like if the Earth was round. Same as previous source.
C4- The Earth looks flat from a plane
A plane is really far up and the curvature of the Earth should be very apparent if the Earth is flat.
Image
C5- Surveyors assume a flat earth
When making bridges, rail roads, tunnels, canals etc. no curvature of the Earth is taken into account. This would not be possible if the Earth was round.
Proof 3 from following link. http://www.mrsciguy.com...
C6- Plumb bobs
Plumb bobs are used to help construct buildings. If the Earth was in fact round as my opponent believes than buildings made using plum bobs would be wider at the top than bottom, but we don't find that to be the case.
From film (In search of an edge) http://www.physics.smu.edu...
Flat Earth theory is more than just flat Earth
More things are involved in the theory besides the flatness of the Earth. If you look at the flat Earth model, you'll see that in the center of the Earth sits the North Pole. This would explain why compasses always point in that direction. If the Earth actually had a south and North Pole magnets would point in both directions not just the northern one.
At the outer edges of the Earth holding water in is a wall of Ice. This is actually a better explanation for the oceans sticking to the Earth than this silly magical force called gravity. Here is a picture of what the flat Earth looks like.
You might ask if gravity doesn't cause things to stick to the Earth, what does? The easy answer to that, which is a superior and easier to grasp theory. Is that the Earth is moving up really fast. When you go up really fast you stick to stuff. You can feel this affect in elevators.
A lot of these other factors tie into Flat Earth Theory just as the rotation of planets go hand in hand with spherical Earth theory.
C7- The seasons explain prove Flat Earth theory is a superior model
If the Earth was revolving around the Sun as round Earther's believe than the sun would be directly over the equator 4 times a year. We find that it is only over the equator 2 times a year. If we use the Flat Earth model instead the Equator sees the sun 2 times a year as appropriate.
Also a round Earth going around the sun would have Icecaps that actually completely shift over every year. This would force the Earth to wobble uncontrollably. However we find that the poles don't do this. So the Flat Earth model is a better explanation.
Source video 1- http://m.youtube.com...
C8-The Earth isn't spinning
According to spherical Earth theory the Earth is spinning at over 1,000 miles an hour. If this is true, this is faster than the speed of sound. Given this theory somebody standing East of you wouldn't be able to hear what you say. Here is an experiment you can try at home. Have somebody stand East of you and see if they can hear what you say. Well can they? Boom flat Earth proven to be true.
Also the Earth spins at 1,000 miles per hour. This is ridiculous for round Earth proponents to say. If a merry go round gets you dizzy at a mere 10 miles per hour, how in the world aren't we walking around dizzy?
C9-Michelson Morley experiment
Let's imagine you're sitting in a boat and there is another boat circling around you, but maybe you're circling around it. How do you find out which is correct?
The simple answer is to stick your hand in the water to feel if you're moving. Well this is what the Michelson Morley experiment basically does.
We know that the substance known as Aether exists. Light couldn't move without some substance to move along. Sound moves along air, waves move along water and light moves along Aether.
Without Aether light just can't move, so we know Aether exists. Originally people concluded Aether didn't exist as a result to the Michelson Morley experiment, but an alternate conclusion actually confirms that the Earth is not moving, well it's moving up really fast, but It's not moving around the Sun.
We know that the Aether must exist, so the only alternate explanation would be that the Earth is the center of the universe.
A flat Earth model (which is Geocentric) is a better explanation for the Michelson Morley experiment than a spherical (also heliocentric) model would be.
C10- Airey's failure
""Airey's failure" (Reference - Proc. Roy. Soc. London v 20 p 35). Telescopes have to be very slightly tilted to get the starlight going down the axis of the tube because of the earth's "speed around the sun". Airey filled a telescope with water that greatly slowed down the speed of the light inside the telescope and found that he did not have to change the angle of the telescope. This showed that the starlight was already coming in at the correct angle so that no change was needed. This demonstrated that it was the stars moving relative to a stationary earth and not the fast orbiting earth moving relative to the comparatively stationary stars. If it was the telescope moving he would have had to change the angle.
C11- The Sagnac experiment
(c) The Sagnac experiment (Reference - Comptes Rendus 1913 v157 p 708-710 and 1410-3) Sagnac rotated a table complete with light and mirrors with the light being passed in opposite directions around the table between the mirrors. He detected the movement of the table by the movement of the interference fringes on the target where they were recombined. This proved that there IS an aether that the light has to pass through
So that experiment proves there is an Aether which reinforces the results of the other experiments.
Conclusion
It's more than obvious by now that the Earth is flat. As much as modern science wants to cling to the disproven theory of a round Earth, they can't deny the evidence. I look forward to my opponents opening arguments.
This is the main source to find broken links above. I will actually print the sources in the debate next round https://www.debate.org/debates/DDO-Tier-Tournament-2-Flat-Earth-Theory-vs-Spherical-Earth-Theory/1/
Round 5
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Tie
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Better arguments
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Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
Full forfeit.
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3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
RFD in comments
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1 point(s)
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Reason:
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Tie
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3 point(s)
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2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
ff
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3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
FF
This is an example of "You aren't guaranteed to win just because you are correct." Wylted used evidence that are simply wrong, but his opponent used nothing otherwise.
Best flat earth argument yet!
I may be convinced. 🤔
I am not a homo. Who likes his planet the shape of a man's testicles. If you want to be a fruit and live on a testicle shaped planet, that is your business, I am living on a planet shaped like an asian womans tits. #getyourhomopromotingassoffmycomments
An ant on a beach ball can see the curvature of the beach ball.
You can see an ant on the beach ball
You cannot see people on the earth from space.
You cannot see bacteria on a beach ball
Bacteria see the beach ball as a flat plane.
Their bridges are so tiny they do not need to take any curvature into account.
If the earth was a beach ball, you would be the size of a bacteria, or maybe some slightly bigger single celled creature.
You see the earth as a flat plane. Your bridges are tiny. Because you are so tiny.
Everest is 30,000 feet tall. Mariana trench is 36,000 feet deep.
The circumference of the earth is 131.5 MILLION feet. If you ran your finger along the earth from space, it would feel as smooth as a billiards ball.
A lack of understanding of scales does not prove a flat earth.
No flat earth model can explain both the solar and lunar eclipses. Both lunar and solar eclipses do happen. Therefore the earth is not flat. Vote Nemiroff! Thank you very much! 😁🍻
Criterion Con Tie Pro Points
Better arguments ✗ ✗ ✔ 3 points
Better sources ✗ ✗ ✔ 2 points
Better spelling and grammar ✗ ✗ ✔ 1 point
Better conduct ✗ ✗ ✔ 1 point
Reason:
down on the globe con sat
so Wylted called it flat
but if it weren't for that
pro's science ain't for scat
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"If the Earth were round people would fall off the bottom."
HAHAHA wylted's argument actually has me dying brilliant 😂😂😂
You know nothing of inertial forces and acceleration?
It would need to be a soft 15 actually. If I proved tge Earth 16000 years old it would be absurd to lose a YEC debate
I would debate you on the earth is less than 15,000 years old. Just curious why the hard 15000 number?
It's because of this guy
https://www.debateart.com/participants/BrotherDThomas
It's a mistake to not allow Bible verses in the arguments. The Bible predominately argues for the round earth. Just an FYI.
Not now im going away soon for vacation
aight
Yes, but I will be picky about the parameters of the debate. Make it and I will explain what I need changed, if Anything
Wanna Go? You YEC
Challenge me to a young earth creationism debate right now. You won't because you know that the Earth is no more than 25,000 years old. It is certainly not millions of year. Nice you blocked me because you know I would destroy you.
lol I think that's a joke, I mean you lost 14 debates, and yeah I totally "wpuld" never debate you on it (sarcasm alert!)
15,000 years? Are you kidding me? You and a bunch of other trolls are trying to ruin the site, stop.
The Earth is also less than 15000 years old also, but you are a coward and wpuld never debate me on it
Trying to draw in Flat-Earthers and free wins eh?
Aluminium or tin?
And GOD is an acronym. That represents both the left over relic and that which will eventually facilitate a new genesis.
And GOD created man and man will recreate GOD.
Whadya think Bro?
You hate gays, and yo claim God supports you,get out of here, YOU ARE BURGER KING CHRSITAN.
Satan is running you overtime now.
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TheAtheist,
YOUR RED HERRING QUOTE RELATIVE TO MY POST #21 TO YOU: "You think that all gays should be murdered??"
You don't get something for nothing! You are trying to insidiously misdirect away from my post #21 to you within this thread, that you are eerily silent upon! Why is that? Therefore, if you can't address said post, then be totally embarrassed and get another Hell Bound Atheist to help you address it so it doesn't look like you're RUNNING AWAY from me as a TRUE Christian on DebateArt! LOL!
Awaiting your COGENT reply to my post #21.
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Yes,yes he does
https://www.debateart.com/debates/1016?open_tab=comments&comments_page=3
Post 48
You think that all gays should be murdered??
"Take off your aluminum tin foil hat for a moment"
Your the one who thinks the Earth is Flat and that All Gays should be murdered. But oromagi needs to take his tin foil hats off???
Your the one who's shouting..you need to take a deep breath
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oromagi,
Addressing your post to me #22, are you vying to be as biblically ignorant as Dr. Franklin?! I understand that some members on DebateArt have to go through a learning process, where you have to be made the fool first, and then learn from it, just like the ever so inept Dr. Franklin had to do with me in the past.
Therefore, the acronym of "OMG" is NOT, I repeat, is NOT taking the Lord's NAME in vain. Take off your aluminum tin foil hat for a moment, and I'll explain it to you, okay? OMG = "OH MY GOD" which is an interjection of an emotive action of excitement, frustration, shock etc. Your misguided notion of the 3rd commandment in taking the Lord's NAME in vain does not apply to "OMG."
“You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.” (Deuteronomy 5:11)
You see, OMG represents the term GOD in its inference, therefore, the term GOD is a TITLE, like President, or vice President is a TITLE. Whereas, the Presidents NAME is the Hell Bound Donald Trump, which is the NAME of the TITLE of President. Conversely, the NAME of our Christian GOD is JESUS, therefore if I used "OH MY JESUS, as an example that I will be forgiven for, THIS WOULD BE TAKING THE LORDS NAME IN VAIN, YOU BLATANT FOOL!
Kids, nothing but kids. :(
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The round earther will probably get the argument points as well as the source points.
Do you mean the spelling and grammar and source points? If that's what you meant then yes I agree, but I typically don't award such points.
They still can get the argument and source points.
Any instigator who takes the position of a truism should not be awarded argument points. Creating such a debate weighs heavily against him when it comes to conduct points.
No True Christian uses OMG- that would be taking the lord's name in vain.
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TheAtheist,
OMG, you still don't get it!!! What did I expect from an Atheist whose ignorance pertaining to the ramifications relative to the Flat Earth Bible has no bounds?!
Here, let me go REAL SLOW for you this time, where I have to resort in going back to 1st grade reasoning to hopefully make you comprehend a very simple Biblical concept and the ramifications of it today, okay? Huh?
1. TheAtheist, ready? Take a deep breath, exhale and breath in, okay? Now let me continue, Jesus, as god incarnate within His inspired and direct words within the bible, states with specificity that the EARTH IS FLAT, as well as the historicity of the era did as well, where no Christian can argue against this point, period! STOP!
2. Take another deep breath, and I will continue. Ready again? Therefore, with today's knowledge if the Christian wants to state that the earth is a sphere and NOT FLAT like the bible portends, THEN THEY HAVE TO CALL JESUS A LIAR BECAUSE THE BIBLE AND THE JEWISH FAITH AT THE TIME ACCEPTED THE EARTH TO BE FLAT, STOP!
3. Take another deep breath, exhale, and I will continue. Ready? Look at the images in the links below to visually show you what the bible states about a FLAT EARTH!
http://nebula.wsimg.com/c7e8cdcfe81d0f185ddc0e4adfb75bed?AccessKeyId=B57932DD12CFB7CA3401&disposition=0&alloworigin=1
https://preview.redd.it/xryk480pyvf11.jpg?width=523&auto=webp&s=cf7a1a77be7492a2986ea3dd1a0906df51aafd3e
4. Now, take another deep breath, exhale, and I will continue. Ready again? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF A CATCH-22, FOOL?! Therefore, to be a TRUE Christian, like myself, we Christians DO NOT have the option of calling Jesus a LIAR relative to his His FLAT EARTH doctrine because we would be committing the dreadful UNPARDONABLE SIN, do you understand?! Therefore, all TRUE Christians have to accept that the EARTH IS FLAT, even though it is a sphere, get it? Huh? Maybe just a "little bit?" :(
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NOW LISTEN UP, YOU ADULTERATED FOOL!
A holy book written by desert scribes is no proof of a FLAT EARTH!
Just because people thought that the Earth was flat doesn’t mean it’s actually flat.
Get it, FOOL?!
You are excused.
Why dont you accept and defend his Words,huh
your not a true Christian, YOU are a Burger King Christian, you don't get anything IN THE BIBLE. You lost that debate idiot with me,. so ACCEPT it ,you are a fraud sad lonely man. If your tired,then leave, well don't because you have brought me great laughs.
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TheAtheist,
Barring the FACT that you can't come up with your own material to at least "try" and combat TRUE Christians like myself, and have to use the Brother D's appropriate material instead, you get the point that I am making!
The Christian cannot usurp what Jesus states within the Bible, period! (Proverbs 30:5) Therefore, when the Bible proposes a FLAT EARTH, when the Jews of the Bible accepted a FLAT EARTH in their history outside of the Bible, when the historicity at the time of Jesus' writings of 100AD forward proposes a FLAT and GEOCENTRIC EARTH through the Ptolemaic Planetary System, when the Bronze, Iron, and Middle Ages proposed a FLAT EARTH along with other peoples of this time period, THEN THE EARTH INDEED WAS CONSIDERED FLAT!
Only fake Christians like the ever so inept Dr. Franklin use their deceiving anachronistic spin doctoring to call Jesus' inspired word in the Bible LIES regarding a FLAT EARTH! Fake Christians cannot have their cake and eat it too, they either have to accept a FLAT EARTH as described within the Bible (2 Peter 1:20-21), or discard the Bible altogether and join the science of today in the 21st century. It is just that simple, understood?
I get so tired of Burger King fake Christians like the weasel Dr. Franklin, where they want their bible "their way" instead of "Jesus' way!"
Now, as shown before, since you cannot in any way respond to my TRUE Christian statements herein regarding the Bible and its FLAT EARTH acceptances, along with the historicity of the time accepting this as well, then use some of my "BrotherDisms" AGAIN within this post showing you to be an outright ignorant fool relative to the topic at hand.
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lol
Yup I saw that video before. He’s hilarious.
“LISTEN UP, YOU UNADULTERATED FOOL”
“GET IT, FOOL?“
“ALL SUPPORT A FLAT EARTH! 2+2=4”
“You are excused for now.”
From now on, I’m just going to use your quotes to reply.
um I won that debate..You were embarrased
I might accept this debate if it remains unaccepted over the next few days.
Mmm.... science
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM9S4QiEHEY says the earth is flat. He then says the earth is a solid fart. The video is very funny. I recommend you guys watch it.
You ignore science, and you ignore the TRUE words of Neil deGrasse Tyson, who said that the earth wasn't flat. He is a respectable scientist, and you are truly insane.
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Gatorade,
Your biblical ignorance of the TRUE words of Jesus the Christ, as Yahweh God incarnate, where His word proposed the earth being flat, with a Ptolemaic Planetary System of the era, are duly noted.
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TheAtheist,
YOUR COMEDIC QUOTE: "That’s because he’s not a flat earther like you, idiot. Why would he debate with me on something that we both agree on?"
LISTEN UP, YOU UNADULTERATED FOOL, the fact remains that ALL, and I repeat, ALL Christians are to believe in a FLAT EARTH, including Dr. Franklin, where he DOES NOT have the option of believing in an anachronistic way of a "spherical earth" relative to our Bible. GET IT, FOOL? With the historicity of our faith, the Iron, Bronze, and Middle Ages of a flat earth theory, and the Ptolemaic Planetary System of the age of Jesus' writings, ALL SUPPORT A FLAT EARTH! 2+2=4, oil and water don't mix, and you are becoming as IGNORANT as Dr. Franklin!
Learn your history before you remove one foot to insert the other next time, understood?!
You are excused for now.
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I was going to create a debate about this, but I knew some random over-religious dude was going to use religious facts to beat real physical facts. So, I would like to see how this debate would turn out. But, I don't think religion can beat over science so the earth is not flat.